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RE: Atheism
August 11, 2018 at 6:58 pm
Theistic morality  is circular morality
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RE: Atheism
August 11, 2018 at 7:12 pm
(August 11, 2018 at 6:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(August 11, 2018 at 5:09 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: All you have to do is base morality on the well being (and ability to flourish) for humans.

Somethings with well-being can be defined objectively and independently of moral views, however, a lot of well being and sense of peace and contentment, lies in how we see ourselves.  And a lot of how see ourselves lies in moral standards we believe in. Hence, it's kind of circular to base morality on this.

The heart of well being is in knowing yourself, potential, and approaching the path of improving with balance, but this is the heart of what religion is about. So it's seem stupid to me that we make morality defined around well being, when the greater aspect of well being, is how we approach morality.

And well being itself is highly subjective in itself and health is even subjective when it comes to mental health.

Theist morality is arbitrary and baseless as I showed in your will to power thread, but you didn't listen then, so why would you listen now.

You have things as backward from the way they actually are as you could possibly be.
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#433
RE: Atheism
August 12, 2018 at 12:00 am
(August 11, 2018 at 2:36 pm)Kit Wrote:
(August 11, 2018 at 2:34 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think that we are using objective/ subjective in two different ways.

No.

There's only the one meaning.

I think you may want to recheck that.
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RE: Atheism
August 12, 2018 at 12:02 am
(August 11, 2018 at 4:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Goodness and morality in Atheistic paradigm has to be subjective and ungrounded and created through relatively chaotic means.  If it is so, everything we assume about it is baseless, and it's a delusion.  

What is the Atheistic [sic] paradigm, MK?
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RE: Atheism
August 12, 2018 at 12:04 am
(August 12, 2018 at 12:02 am)Cyberman Wrote:
(August 11, 2018 at 4:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Goodness and morality in Atheistic paradigm has to be subjective and ungrounded and created through relatively chaotic means.  If it is so, everything we assume about it is baseless, and it's a delusion.  

What is the Atheistic [sic] paradigm, MK?
The one that exists in his head
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RE: Atheism
August 12, 2018 at 12:07 am
It's why we need to be clear in our definitions right at the start. Strawmen make lousy sex toys.
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RE: Atheism
August 12, 2018 at 12:30 am (This post was last modified: August 12, 2018 at 12:36 am by The Grand Nudger.)
That's a terribly unfortunate thing to say.  If it were true, if in the absence of a god morality is baseless and delusional....then this demands that morality be arbitrary if there -is- a god. After all, nothing about an act changes if god steps into or out of a room.

I don't find it difficult to ground morality in objective facts, personally. What's the problem supposed to be, anyway, MK? Why do -you- think that morality would be baseless and delusional in the absence of a god?
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