OTOH, it's how I know it's unintentional...nobody reads that, quotes it....and then thinks to themselves;

"How do I step on my own dick in the perfect way to make myself a case example?"

(August 26, 2018 at 1:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: OTOH, it's how I know it's unintentional...nobody reads that, quotes it....and then thinks to themselves;

"How do I step on my own dick in the perfect way to make myself a case example?"

True very true

(August 26, 2018 at 1:28 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:It's pretty well known what PC means, and it is explicitly linked-- explicitly and by definition, mind you-- to the differential treatment of members of demographic groups based on that membership.  It frames social issues in terms of victimization or oppression by those groups.

This is not really up for debate, so far as I know:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

Yes it's very much up for debate sorry you don't prefer that Benny

Fine.  Then go ahead and define what PC means to you.  I want finally to meet a True Scotsman!

Quote:Fine.  Then go ahead and define what PC means to you.

We already defined it and you still didn't get it 

Quote:  I want finally to meet a True Scotsman!

Sorry i'm Inuit not Scottish

(August 26, 2018 at 1:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: OTOH, it's how I know it's unintentional...nobody reads that, quotes it....and then thinks to themselves;

"How do I step on my own dick in the perfect way to make myself a case example?"

You seem to think that by quoting Mitch Berbrier, you are making a point.  What point are you trying to make?  That white supremacists also try to control the narrative?  I've already sad that. Do you think that because I'm against identity politics, this means I identify with right-wing nutjobs who attempt to frame the world view in terms of their own demographic lines drawn in the sand?

Here's our own narrative as I see it.  I argue against PC bullshit.  You make a racist comment in defense of PC bullshit.  I call you on your racist comment.  You double down on racist comment, and attempt to lump me in with the alt-right through a process of guilt by association of ideas: "This guy is white, and yet he attempts to portray himself as a victim.  That's what white supremacists do!"  No, I'm not claiming victimhood, not in any big way-- only in the sense that you've made it a point to address racist comments directly toward me, and that I think you shouldn't feel okay about doing that.

Of "(1) discrimination, (2) rights abrogations, (3) stigmatization and the denial of pride, (4) loss of self-esteem, and (5) racial elimination," which of these do you accuse me of exemplifying, exactly? I mean, you know that my wife is Korean, right? You know that I include native ancestry as an important part of my identity, right? You've read how I would handle the problem of racism with regard to imprisonment, right?

Predicted response: "Looook. . . . He's doing it agaaaaaaain! He's pretending to be a victimmmmmmm!"

Again a long paragraph of nothing .49 pages and still nothing ....

(August 26, 2018 at 2:26 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You seem to think that by quoting Mitch Berbrier, you are making a point.  What point are you trying to make?  That white supremacists also try to control the narrative?  Do you think that because I'm against identity politics IN GENERAL, this means I identify with right-wing nutjobs who attempt to frame the world view in terms of their own demographic lines drawn in the sand?

Nope..I'm pretty sure you don't identify with right wing nutjobs..you just read their script.  It's not your fault that the right wing fields effective memes, or that the right wing went to bed with white supremacy decades ago.

The only thing, in all of this..that's utterly on you..is a stunning lack of self awareness.

(August 26, 2018 at 2:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:Fine.  Then go ahead and define what PC means to you.

We already defined it and you still didn't get it 

Quote:  I want finally to meet a True Scotsman!

Sorry i'm Inuit not Scottish

I've never said I wanted to meet you.

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(August 26, 2018 at 2:34 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 2:26 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You seem to think that by quoting Mitch Berbrier, you are making a point.  What point are you trying to make?  That white supremacists also try to control the narrative?  Do you think that because I'm against identity politics IN GENERAL, this means I identify with right-wing nutjobs who attempt to frame the world view in terms of their own demographic lines drawn in the sand?

Nope..I'm pretty sure you don't identify with right wing nutjobs..you just read their script.  It's not your fault that the right wing fields effective memes, or that the right wing went to bed with white supremacy decades ago.

The only thing, in all of this..that's utterly on you..is a stunning lack of self awareness.

Oh, please.  The PC Left so very clearly target white males as a privileged and oppressive demographic.  Then someone says, "Hey.  I don't like the demonization of white males, because I happen to be one, and I don't think what you're saying is true about me."  That's not a script, Khem.  It's a natural reaction to ideological harassment. 

I'm sure you'll keep saying *sigh* or *headslap* and talking to your moral support person, but you're dumb to keep trying to alienate me, because I really do think that except for our perception of the particular sub-branch of the left called PC, our world views align more than they differentiate.

Were the things I said about Tiz and cultural appropriation "their script?"   Was the talk about the best way to release prisoners "their script"?  Was sitting down and doing the actual math on a $15 minimum wage and then suggesting greater financial incentives for released prisoners "their script?"

No, and here's the thing.  I can agree with 90% of what you think, and disagree with 10%, but that 10% automatically constitutes an association with alt-right nutjobs, and instantly bars me from inclusion in the PC Left.  That is, quite precisely, because a religious view tolerates no heresy.  So you can talk about me being indoctrinated, but I'd recommend you try holding up a mirror first.

Quote:I've never said I wanted to meet you.

Oh too bad 

And 49 pages of nothing

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(August 26, 2018 at 2:34 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 2:26 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You seem to think that by quoting Mitch Berbrier, you are making a point.  What point are you trying to make?  That white supremacists also try to control the narrative?  Do you think that because I'm against identity politics IN GENERAL, this means I identify with right-wing nutjobs who attempt to frame the world view in terms of their own demographic lines drawn in the sand?

Nope..I'm pretty sure you don't identify with right wing nutjobs..you just read their script.  It's not your fault that the right wing fields effective memes, or that the right wing went to bed with white supremacy decades ago.

The only thing, in all of this..that's utterly on you..is a stunning lack of self awareness.

And it took him a minute to distort everything you said

(August 26, 2018 at 2:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Sorry i'm Inuit not Scottish

Wait. Wait, wait. Hold the presses, cuz I almost missed this!

Did you just say that you're Inuit? I could have sworn that I read somewhere that Dream Catchers were Ojibwe.

In your indignant outrage against other forum members on the basis of cultural appropriation, supported fully by me due to the admittedly horrific misfortunes of the native peoples of North America, and the destruction of their cultural identity. . . were you, an Inuit, actually using a cultural icon of the Ojibwe people as an excuse to go off on an outraged rant?

Oh. . . oh, what even to say! The only script I've bought that I can see right now is your script of cultural appropriation.

You guys can rage and *sigh* all you want. I'm gonna go have a drink and just enjoy this moment for a while.