(August 27, 2018 at 9:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hmmm.....

Quote:Since the start of his papacy, Francis has infuriated Catholic traditionalists as he tries to nurture a more welcoming church and shift it away from culture war issues, whether abortion or homosexuality. “Who am I to judge?” the pope famously said, when asked about gay priests.

Just how angry his political and doctrinal enemies are became clear this weekend, when a caustic letter published by the Vatican’s former top diplomat in the United States blamed a “homosexual current” in the Vatican hierarchy for sexual abuse. It called for Francis’ resignation, accusing him of covering up for a disgraced cardinal, Theodore E. McCarrick.

I don't buy that this is some "unfair coup" against Francis because this isn't even first time this year that Francis found himself in this situation - where he knew about abusive clergy member and didn't do anything and even blame the victims.

Remember few months ago:

Quote:In Chile and during an airborne press conference returning to Rome, Francis accused the victims of “calumny” for pressing their case against Barros, demanded they present “proof” of their claims and revealed he had twice rejected Barros’ resignation.

But the Chilean bishops insisted they had been truthful to Francis about the need to get rid of Barros — they had proposed he resign and take a year sabbatical — and victims’ advocates said Francis had only himself to blame, since the accusations against Barros were well known and well-founded.
https://religionnews.com/2018/04/11/pope...buse-case/

In an ideal world, the Vatican would long ago been raided due to its criminal activities.

They all know or they’re deaf, dumb and blind. The Catholic institution has failed children on an alarming scale. Time to bury it. You can all have your Catholic faith without the church.

What we need is a reform. Conduct a major investigation of every single person in the leadership and purge out all the evil. We need a new Pope. I loved Pope Francis' gentle nature and how forgiving and non judgemental he was, but he has taken it too far. These are times when we need something different. I don't care how harsh the next Pope is, so long as he is someone who is going to show 0 tolerance for abuse and cover ups, as that is the first priority right now.

You were reformed in the 16th century.

Now those sons of bitches are every bit as bad as the catholicks.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/08...=emaildkre

Quote:Sources say Baylor staff infiltrated survivor groups to shape school's PR strategy amid rape scandal

Quote:Baylor University has consistently made headlines for its systemic cover-up and minimizing of sexual assaults committed by its students since 2015. A new report by reveals even more evidence that the university is willing to do anything to cover up their misdeeds while showing zero evidence of being genuinely remorseful and open to real accountability. 
Two sources told PR Week that Baylor University went straight into “save our asses” mode once their now-former football player was convicted of sexual assault and sentenced to 180 days in jail, 10 years' felony probation, 400 hours of community service, and lifelong registration as a sex offender. The fact that the vast majority of sexual assailants never see a day in jail—in fact, most are never even arrested—highlights just how much of an outlier this case is.
Instead of using the conviction as an opportunity to see how Baylor University could change, the administration decided to invest in “reputation management,” focusing on public relations improvements instead. Their general counsel hired a company called Ketchum South.

For the record, Baylor styles itself the largest baptist university.  There is just something about holier-than-thou fucks where they think they can get away with anything.

(August 26, 2018 at 3:57 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: The only way this will stop is if the catholic parishioners stand up in mass (not the service) and start making their voice heard with dollars (actually a lack of dollars).

I understand your logic, but I don't think this would do any good.

The money collected at mass mostly goes towards that particular church itself. Since admission is free, the optional donations help pay the expenses of keeping it running and paying the employees. Some of it goes towards putting together local charity events. Very little of it actually goes to the Vatican.

There are still many many good people and good priests in the church that took no part in any of this. If the Church is going to go through a reform, we need to stick together and support the good people who are in the Church.

(August 28, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 3:57 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: The only way this will stop is if the catholic parishioners stand up in mass (not the service) and start making their voice heard with dollars (actually a lack of dollars).

I understand your logic, but I don't think this would do any good.

The money collected at mass mostly goes towards that particular church itself. Since admission is free, the optional donations help pay the expenses of keeping it running and paying the employees. Some of it goes towards putting together local charity events. Very little of it actually goes to the Vatican.

There are still many many good people and good priests in the church that took no part in any of this. If the Church is going to go through a reform, we need to stick together and support the good people who are in the Church.

I disagree. If the individual parishioners stop/decrease donating and tell the church why, then the message will be sent to up the chain that the abuse behavior has to stop. The church understands money, if there is no change in finances there is no true motive for change. 

Or would you rather wait, let the abuse continue, and then endure bankruptcy from the legal fallout. Look around, it's already happening and Penn diocese will be next.

Would you rather have your religion be proactive or reactive? And stop thinking of individual churches as stand alone's. That's head in the sand thinking.

There is a much more effective way of going about doing that which doesn't effect local parishes and the people it serves. And that is to stop visiting the Vatican. Tourists who have trips planned, cancel them. Do something else in Rome instead. People who attend mass there, go somewhere else. They will see it for themselves, and will suffer much more direct monetary effect from it.

(August 28, 2018 at 11:04 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What we need is a reform. Conduct a major investigation of every single person in the leadership and purge out all the evil. We need a new Pope. I loved Pope Francis' gentle nature and how forgiving and non judgemental he was, but he has taken it too far. These are times when we need something different. I don't care how harsh the next Pope is, so long as he is someone who is going to show 0 tolerance for abuse and cover ups, as that is the first priority right now.

I think if the church is to survive in a tolerable way, it needs to stop being run like a bank. Clergy have to cooperate with police, which means reporting crimes. I personally think Vatican City should become a museum and the heads of the church can live like Jesus (supposedly) instead of the Royal Family.

(August 28, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There is a much more effective way of going about doing that which doesn't effect local parishes and the people it serves. And that is to stop visiting the Vatican. Tourists who have trips planned, cancel them. Do something else in Rome instead. People who attend mass there, go somewhere else. They will see it for themselves, and will suffer much more direct monetary effect from it.

I see, it's up to someone else in the religion to do something. 

My point of view is that every catholic who has an issue with the abuse needs to stand up and be heard, preferably with actions, not just words. How long have we heard words with no effect?