Obviously I want the McCanns to go down for this, but what scares me more is what they could possibly have over the British government to warrant such protection. They are still cleared as suspects, and their ludicrous stories believed, despite this mountain of hard evidence against them.

Let me recap. Which of these scenarios is more likely:

1) Maddie died in the room, as per the sniffer dog's findings. Her body was cleverly concealed. This was the conclusion of the Portuguese police.

2) A mysterious man kidnapped her. He was only seen by one person, who forgot to mention he even existed until 2 days later. He walked in through an unlocked door (as per one of the later versions of their story), and picked up Maddie. He didn’t wake either of the other two children, or Maddie; they confirm she had not been given any sleeping medicine. Before leaving he staged the scene to look like a fake abduction through the window, as per the first iteration of the story, before leaving through the door again. The 100% reliable sniffer dog suddenly mistakenly found the smell of death in two places in their apartment, on Maddie's toy, on a lot of their clothes, and in their rental vehicle, while finding nothing on the rest of their clothes (ruling out transfer), nor anywhere else.

Which one is the most likely, mister British government? (Remember: all these sniffer dog results are on tape.)

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PS: the McCanns tried to stop the book Poet mentioned being published. Not content with controlling the media, they tried to censor the facts of the case too.

(October 24, 2018 at 9:39 am)robvalue Wrote: Obviously I want the McCanns to go down for this, but what scares me more is what they could possibly have over the British government to warrant such protection. They are still cleared as suspects, and their ludicrous stories believed, despite this mountain of hard evidence against them.

What's more likely, the McCanns, two doctors from the UK, have some kind of incriminating evidence over the entire British government, or this "mountain of hard evidence" is actually more of a molehill of hearsay and misrepresentation?

Quote:1) Maddie died in the room, as per the sniffer dog's findings. Her body was cleverly concealed. This was the conclusion of the Portuguese police.

That wasn't the conclusion. The prosecutor's report concluded: "No element of proof whatsoever was found which allows us to form any lucid, sensible, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances."

In other words, they couldn't say with any reasonable certainty what happened.

Quote:2) A mysterious man kidnapped her. He was only seen by one person, who forgot to mention he even existed until 2 days later. He walked in through an unlocked door (as per one of the later versions of their story), and picked up Maddie. He didn’t wake either of the other two children, or Maddie; they confirm she had not been given any sleeping medicine. Before leaving he staged the scene to look like a fake abduction through the window, as per the first iteration of the story, before leaving through the door again. The 100% reliable sniffer dog suddenly mistakenly found the smell of death in two places in their apartment, on Maddie's toy, on a lot of their clothes, and in their rental vehicle, while finding nothing on the rest of their clothes (ruling out transfer), nor anywhere else.

Not waking up children isn't exactly difficult. Even if they do wake up, they are groggy and usually fall back asleep almost immediately. Source: my nieces have slept over many times, they sleep through anything.

Also, how do you know he didn't wake up Maddie?

Quote:PS: the McCanns tried to stop the book Poet mentioned being published. Not content with controlling the media, they tried to censor the facts of the case too.

Alternatively, if you take off the conspiracy glasses for a moment, this is exactly what distraught parents would do if they were being falsely accused of killing their daughter and didn't want the accuser to make money off it.

From what I've seen the prevailing hypothesis' are:

1) she was abducted, as suggested

2) the parents had something to do with it. That varies from she died accidentally or was killed on purpose by them, for some reason, and they covered it up. I've even seen people suggest that they may have "sold" her......I mean I'm a parent and all of those things really boggle my brain, but you never know with some people.

3) She left the room of her own accord looking for her parents which if she was able to do that, which wouldn't be uncommon for a young child to do,if they wake up alone and need something, (help going to the toilet or a drink etc), and was either THEN abducted or had died in unknown circumstances, walking around the streets looking for people.

As a parent, the thought of doing something to you own child is horrifying beyond all understanding to me. As per that, I want to believe them about the abduction or perhaps even lean towards that she got out herself and all of this is just a massive tragedy. Maybe all that other stuff (with the dogs/blood) is circumstantial and not as crazy as we think.....but I honestly don't think we'll ever know at this point.

Part of the issue here is, they left a young girl (and other children) ALONE in a room fairly far away from their parents, that had some of the doors UNLOCKED [the side doors I believe]......is just criminal. Ideas that they drug their kids, I think there is no real evidence for that, so that's something for people to look into, but I know many people [at the very LEAST] criticize them for leaving their children unprotected, so far away and alone, with the fucking doors unlocked in places. It's just crazy. I'm not sure if that counts as neglect in some description, and they've obviously paid for their mistakes, but fucking hell fire, it's so stupid.

The fact that the girl was left alone in a foreign country is what immediately makes the parents suspect. I could understand using the "we weren't there" excuse a long time ago before really bad things started happening to kids on a regular basis.

(October 24, 2018 at 10:01 am)OakTree500 Wrote: Part of the issue here is, they left a young girl (and other children) ALONE in a room fairly far away from their parents, that had some of the doors UNLOCKED [the side doors I believe]......is just criminal. Ideas that they drug their kids, I think there is no real evidence for that, so that's something for people to look into, but I know many people [at the very LEAST] criticize them for leaving their children unprotected, so far away and alone, with the fucking doors unlocked in places. It's just crazy. I'm not sure if that counts as neglect in some description, and they've obviously paid for their mistakes, but fucking hell fire, it's so stupid.

I wouldn't call it criminal. That's the same kind of reasoning people use to victim-blame rape victims. No parent leaves their kids alone in a hotel room thinking they might be kidnapped.

Stupid? Yes. Negligent? Sure. Neglect? Possibly, given how things turned out. Criminal? Not at all. It's not the fault of the McCann's that someone abducted their kid.

Just in case anyone is suggesting I merely imagined this sniffer dog evidence into existence, here you go.





The only other hypotheses are that someone else died in the room (it’s been confirmed that they didn’t), and somehow this transferred to certain specific parts of the McCanns clothes... and to specific parts of their rental car 2 weeks later, but nowhere else...

Or the sniffer dog's evidence is unreliable and should be discounted.

Bollocks is what I say. Fucking bollocks. In no other case would they be discounted as suspects, even if they couldn’t be definitively tried for the crime yet.

(October 24, 2018 at 10:29 am)robvalue Wrote: and to specific parts of their rental car 2 weeks later, but nowhere else...

Here's my main objection to the conspiracy that they moved her body in the rental car.

Do you honestly believe, that in the middle of the media circus they were in (remember how many reporters were around them, hounding them?), they were able to hire a rental car, drive to the hiding place of Maddie's body, put it in the back, drive to a new burial site, bury the body somehow, etc. without being seen / photographed / videoed by any member of the press?

That just defies all logic.

(October 24, 2018 at 10:07 am)Tiberius Wrote: I wouldn't call it criminal. That's the same kind of reasoning people use to victim-blame rape victims. No parent leaves their kids alone in a hotel room thinking they might be kidnapped.

Stupid? Yes. Negligent? Sure. Neglect? Possibly, given how things turned out. Criminal? Not at all. It's not the fault of the McCann's that someone abducted their kid.

While I understand what you're saying, and I'm not suggesting they be locked up for leaving their kids alone like that, (maybe more of a general use of the word criminal on my end). It's a bit like being shocked if you car gets broken into, if you leave the doors open. Nobody expects people to do that, but there you go.

Leaving a child un-attended, in a foreign environment of any kind [in this case an entirely different country], and to be as far away as they were [180 ft], which for having 3 kids who might get up at ANY time, is crazy. If they were right outside the room itself, it's partially understandable, but 180 ft? That's too far to be in eyeline, [in their case it was a couple of streets away, round a few corners as well I believe] let alone potentially hearing anything if a person is trying to quietly break into your room. Again leaving the doors unlocked = madness, if anything to stop the kids getting out, if they wanted them to stay IN the room, as they could just get up and go looking for their parents and walk out of the door. Let alone potentially get abducted.

Like it’s already been said, I think regardless of what one thinks they’ve already paid numerous times over for their mistake. It’s impossibke to second guess their decision making (or lack thereof) - complacency perhaps?

It’s definitelty stupidity on their part, but I don’t think they need anyone to remind them of that to be honest. I agree with Tibs. It’s akin to saying that a woman who wore revealing clothing deserved to be assaulted because someone couldn’t control themselves. The true blame lies with the abductor(s). I’m exclusing the alternative/conspiracy theories in this response.

This is a good example of the double standards of evidence and media spin.