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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:23 am
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Hello Everena! 
Do I think our planet is the only life extant in our reality?
.I don't know. I hope and wish not. Sadly our current sample size is 1.
The same with 'Inteligence'. Currently, we are 'It'. Again a sample size of 1.
Now 'Consciousness'? We share such a thing with the other species around us. It's just that there are obviously different degrees/amounts between them all.
My cat is definitely conscious and aware of me. It is, however, a very different thing from my conscious awarness of my cat.
As I asked before, how does your 'Overmind' interact across reality?
At this point I'll.continue to use the place holder 'Overmind' because your description doesn't match up with any dieties I'm familiar with.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:23 am
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(November 10, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (November 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Everena Wrote: Adding billions of years to something does not all of a sudden make it possible. A complex code does not just come into existence from nothing.
Scientists do not suspect the complex information in DNA came from nothing. They believe it came from simpler elements by a process which adds information. Nothing that has been presented in this thread makes that impossible and the evidence indicates that it is very possible.
(November 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Everena Wrote: What specifically convinces you that complex things can just come to life or come into existence from nothing with no intelligence? And don't say billions of years of evolution because that is a cop-out and a straw man argument.
As noted, nobody is arguing that DNA came from nothing. The reason they believe that DNA evolved is because we have evidence of the process of evolution from simpler DNA and plausible explanations for how simpler elements which could evolve into DNA based life forms could have originated. That is neither a cop-out nor a straw man. I don't think you know what a cop-out or a straw man argument is.
Because you are completely avoiding mentioning the first cause of life and jumping right to what happened after that. We all know what happened after that and something like DNA would not just evolve out of nothing for no reason and with no intelligent driving force. It's like our sex drive and our will to live. Those things don't just happen without intelligence. How could "nothing" possibly care if our species survived or not?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:28 am
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Uhm.... Everena? Nothing actually 'does' care if we as a species continues to exist.
Hence why spending resources on telescopes, rockets and probes to investigate potential Earth interacting space material is/should be a higher priority than it currently is.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:33 am
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(November 11, 2018 at 4:23 am)Everena Wrote: Because you are completely avoiding mentioning the first cause of life and jumping right to what happened after that. We all know what happened after that and something like DNA would not just evolve out of nothing for no reason and with no intelligent driving force. No..."we" don't all know this...-you- believe it. However, as we've already established, you believe many things that aren't true.
Quote:It's like our sex drive and our will to live. Those things don't just happen without intelligence.
Strange how so much of life keeps surviving and fucking without possessing an intelligence, then, wouldn't you say?
Quote: How could "nothing" possibly care if our species survived or not?
"Nothing" doesn't care.....................................?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:39 am
(November 11, 2018 at 4:23 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Hello Everena!
Do I think our planet is the only life extant in our reality?
.I don't know. I hope and wish not. Sadly our current sample size is 1.
The same with 'Inteligence'. Currently, we are 'It'. Again a sample size of 1.
Now 'Consciousness'? We share such a thing with the other species around us. It's just that there are obviously different degrees/amounts between them all.
My cat is definitely conscious and aware of me. It is, however, a very different thing from my conscious awarness of my cat.
As I asked before, how does your 'Overmind' interact across reality?
At this point I'll.continue to use the place holder 'Overmind' because your description doesn't match up with any dieties I'm familiar with.
Cheers.
You may use Universal Energy and that is all other than God, when referring to THE God.  And yes, this planet is teaming with conscious life-- approx 7.8 miilion different species of conscious life that somehow also all have food here to eat (that I guess you think is just on this planet by sheer luck)
And what do you mean how does God interact across reality? I have no idea what you are even talking about, but the subject of this thread is DNA and how it is very very VERY obvious that the complex code of DNA did not create itself out of nothing.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:44 am
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(November 11, 2018 at 4:39 am)Everena Wrote: it is very very VERY obvious that the complex code of DNA did not create itself out of nothing.
Incorrect. What is obvious is that you are filling in the gaps of knowledge with nothing more than an unproven claim. First, provide empirical evidence that your god exists, and then we can properly deal with all these apologetics you use for comforts sake.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:44 am
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Hello Everena!
I am just following your comments about your 'Overmind' creating everything...... and how it interacts with us 'Here' and 'Now'.
Since, unless I am not understanding you, this is what you are asserting/saying/posting?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:45 am
(November 10, 2018 at 6:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (November 10, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Everena Wrote: This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all?
Bollocks. Science does exactly that. Now you're just a crass liar.
No, the whys of our existence are left to philosophy. Science only attempts to discover and understand things about an already existing and operating universe.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:50 am
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-and has yet to require a meat fairy to explain anything.
(November 11, 2018 at 4:39 am)Everena Wrote: You may use Universal Energy and that is all other than God, when referring to THE God. And yes, this planet is teaming with conscious life-- approx 7.8 miilion different species of conscious life that somehow also all have food here to eat (that I guess you think is just on this planet by sheer luck) Yeah...we eat each other. Good job meat fairy! Real swell design you've got there. lol.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 4:53 am
(November 11, 2018 at 4:18 am)Khemikal Wrote: (November 11, 2018 at 4:01 am)Everena Wrote: No, you are 0/4 ---Wrong about consciousness. Please read this so you stop pretending something that is NOT true Hahahaha, well, that was quick.
"Nuh uh, no I'm not, you are!"
Quote:The other two explanations you offered are not logical without higher intelligence being involved. It is a necessity. As I said in my edit (not sure why both posted-oops) I believe in the Big Bang, who doesn't? But it requires higher intelligence whether you like it or not.
Now you're just being silly. You made a claim, it was false. Is there not something about strong moral character in the believing set...you know, the kind of thing where a person takes a deep breath and says;
"I mispoke, you're right, there are tons of logical explanations for how the universe and the planet came to be the way they are that have nothing to do with gods, and tons more that..if my godsplanation is logical, are about other gods whose godsplanations would then also be logical......but I -believe- that the god explanation is the best explanation, and that my god is the real meat fairy."
Rhetorical, I can already tell that you're a dense asshole, lol.
Quote:And I know God exists beyond any doubt. I have even lost my fear of death completely. Some day you will too.
If you know it, you can show it. If you can't..you just believe it. Should I have someone with a Phd in neuroscience contact you and explain that science does not yet understand why or how we have consciousness? I do know someone rather well who may be willing to educate you on this. You seriously need to get an education and stop living in a false reality. All science can do so far is determine parts of the brain that we are using our consciousness in. It's the same thing with our emotions. I already gave you the link to Stanford University. Would you like 20 more links or perhaps a personal email from a professor? And there are no logical explanations for how the universe came to be that do not absolutely require an intelligent agent.
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