The style and the arguments seem too different for a sock. Perhaps they know each other from some other forum.

(November 12, 2018 at 5:59 pm)Wololo Wrote: There is a reason that farmers were amongst the first groups to accept evolution, you know.  They were practising what Terry Pratchett termed "unnatural selection" for thousands of years.

Def could have been more convenient if meat fairy really was a caterer.  Would have saved us alot of time, effort, and pointless death.

(November 12, 2018 at 5:28 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Everena Wrote: If there was no force that cared about us having a sex drive, we wouldn't have one.

Riiiiiight, and the rain only falls because the raingod cares about it.

Quote:If there was no force that provided food for the 7.8 million different species of life on this planet, we would all be dead.

Back to this silly shit?  The 7.8 million different species of life on this planet are food for each other.  What "force" do you think is out there making doggy bags and sampler plates?

So, just for a recap.  You have no idea why pain and suffering exist, you wish the universe were just even though you observe that it is not, and you think that god is a caterer...in addition to being a bit of a perv.

Your boyfriend sounds like a real piece of work.  Imma pass on that date.

Why are you ignoring the main food source for life on this planet? Is it really that important to you to avoid the actual facts?  We do not just eat animals. and we don't even need to eat animals and herbivores eat no meat at all. And there is no way we would just magically have a sex drive either or even the ability to procreate without higher intelligence being involved in creation. And the complex code of DNA did not just mysteriously create itself out of nothing. Who do u think you're kidding? Only yourself.

(November 12, 2018 at 6:20 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 5:28 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Riiiiiight, and the rain only falls because the raingod cares about it.

Back to this silly shit?  The 7.8 million different species of life on this planet are food for each other.  What "force" do you think is out there making doggy bags and sampler plates?

So, just for a recap.  You have no idea why pain and suffering exist, you wish the universe were just even though you observe that it is not, and you think that god is a caterer...in addition to being a bit of a perv.

Your boyfriend sounds like a real piece of work.  Imma pass on that date.

Why are you ignoring the main food source for life on this planet? Is it really that important to you to avoid the actual facts?  We do not just eat animals. and we don't even need to eat animals and herbivores eat no meat at all. And there is no way we would just magically have a sex drive either or even the ability to procreate without higher intelligence being involved in creation. And the complex code of DNA did not just mysteriously create itself out of nothing. Who do u think you're kidding? Only yourself.

Ev, plants are also alive - and you even think that they're somehow conscious..or is that only the paramecium?  Life is consuming life on this rock.  It's a massive orgy of death.  Most of everything alive will be eaten alive (and plenty of what's eaten alive will be eaten alive asshole first).  There is no need for a cosmic caterer. Do you understand?

I don't think that we "magically" have a sex drive, either. I don't think that dna created itself, nor do I think that it was constructed out of nothing.

I do think...however, that you're a complete moron. I'm ready for you to change my mind about that at your earliest convenience.

(November 12, 2018 at 6:17 pm)Astreja Wrote: The style and the arguments seem too different for a sock.  Perhaps they know each other from some other forum.

In that case, I dub Evarena Mrs Inquisition!

(November 12, 2018 at 5:39 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Everena Wrote: What article specifically are you claiming I did not understand?

Jesus H. Fucking Christ.
You STILL have not quoted the relevant part of the article you claimed said bacteria can exist in two different places.
Yeah -- that one. Either you are the most dishonest troll ever, or your memory is shot. Are you on drugs ?

Are none of you able to read an article yourself? I've posted the link now three times. The quantum world is a weird one. In theory and to some extent in practice its tenets demand that a particle can appear to be in two places at once—a paradoxical phenomenon known as superposition—and that two particles can become “entangled,” sharing information across arbitrarily large distances through some still-unknown mechanism.
Perhaps the most famous example of quantum weirdness is Schrödinger’s cat, a thought experiment devised by Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. The Austrian physicist imagined how a cat placed in a box with a potentially lethal radioactive substance could, per the odd laws of quantum mechanics, exist in a superposition of being both dead and alive—at least until the box is opened and its contents observed.
As far-out as that seems, the concept has been experimentally validated countless times on quantum scales. Scaled up to our seemingly simpler and certainly more intuitive macroscopic world, however, things change. No one has ever witnessed a star, a planet or a cat in superposition or a state of quantum entanglement. But ever since quantum theory’s initial formulation in the early 20th century, scientists have wondered where exactly the microscopic and macroscopic worlds cross over. Just how big can the quantum realm be, and could it ever be big enough for its weirdest aspects to intimately, clearly influence living things? Across the past two decades the emergent field of quantum biology has sought answers for such questions, proposing and performing experiments on living organisms that could probe the limits of quantum theory.

Those experiments have already yielded tantalizing but inconclusive results. Earlier this year, for example, researchers showed the process of photosynthesis—whereby organisms make food using light—may involve some quantum effects. How birds navigate or how we smell also suggest quantum effects may take place in unusual ways within living things. But these only dip a toe into the quantum world. So far, no one has ever managed to coax an entire living organism—not even a single-celled bacterium—into displaying quantum effects such as entanglement or superposition.
.................According to study co-author Tristan Farrow, also of Oxford, this is the first time such an effect has been glimpsed in a living organism. “It certainly is key to demonstrating that we are some way toward the idea of a ‘Schrödinger’s bacterium,’ if you will,” he says. And it hints at another potential instance of naturally emerging quantum biology: Green sulfur bacteria reside in the deep ocean where the scarcity of life-giving light might even spur quantum-mechanical evolutionary adaptations to boost photosynthesis.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

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(November 12, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 6:20 pm)Everena Wrote: Why are you ignoring the main food source for life on this planet? Is it really that important to you to avoid the actual facts?  We do not just eat animals. and we don't even need to eat animals and herbivores eat no meat at all. And there is no way we would just magically have a sex drive either or even the ability to procreate without higher intelligence being involved in creation. And the complex code of DNA did not just mysteriously create itself out of nothing. Who do u think you're kidding? Only yourself.

Ev, plants are also alive - and you even think that they're somehow conscious..or is that only the paramecium?  Life is consuming life on this rock.  It's a massive orgy of death.  Most of everything alive will be eaten alive (and plenty of what's eaten alive will be eaten alive asshole first).  There is no need for a cosmic caterer.  Do you understand?

I don't think that we "magically" have a sex drive, either.  I don't think that dna created itself, nor do I think that it was constructed out of nothing.  

I do think...however, that you're a complete moron.  I'm ready for you to change my mind about that at your earliest convenience.

No one thinks plants are conscious. Paramecium have a sex life. Dude, let it go. You lost the food argument.

(reads article quote)

"Tantalizing but inconclusive results." "...No one has ever managed to coax an entire living organism... into displaying quantum effects such as entanglement or superposition."

Sounds like "quantum biology" is still very much in the hypothesis stage. I'm not expecting to see anything from the field, as quantum physics appears to confine itself to much smaller scales than biological organisms, principally subatomic particles.

(In fact, since biological organisms contain a large number of atoms, it's possible that any quantum effects will just cancel out from atom to atom.)

(November 12, 2018 at 6:27 pm)Everena Wrote:

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(November 12, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Ev, plants are also alive - and you even think that they're somehow conscious..or is that only the paramecium?  Life is consuming life on this rock.  It's a massive orgy of death.  Most of everything alive will be eaten alive (and plenty of what's eaten alive will be eaten alive asshole first).  There is no need for a cosmic caterer.  Do you understand?

I don't think that we "magically" have a sex drive, either.  I don't think that dna created itself, nor do I think that it was constructed out of nothing.  

I do think...however, that you're a complete moron.  I'm ready for you to change my mind about that at your earliest convenience.

No one thinks plants are conscious. Paramecium have a sex life. Dude, let it go. You lost the food argument.

Complete moron.

Some people do think plants are conscious (I'm a little surprised you don't) plants also have a sex life (and having a sex life is what consciousness means to you..?)....and neither of these two things matters in the slightest to why your absurd beliefs about a catering meat fairy are breathtakingly ignorant.

If these are the reasons for your belief..if you need these things to be true for your beliefs to be anything other than false....then you have a serious problem.

(November 12, 2018 at 4:36 pm)Everena Wrote: Why would we have a sex drive and want to procreate? Just for no reason?

We have a sex drive because it was stumbled into during the evolutionary process and it had positive effect for species survival. You keep assuming there is an intent behind everything. There's no justification or need for that.

(November 12, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 4:09 pm)unfogged Wrote: Shit happens, then you die. The trick is to make the most of it while you can because there's no good reason to believe there's anything more. Wasting your life dreaming about a fantasy world of gumdrops and unicorns after death is just sad.

That is not a valid explanation for all the pain and suffering that exists in this world.

Actually, it is once you drop the unfounded assumption that there is intent behind events.

Quote:We have a goal to acheive here of becoming better people so we can be rewarded with eternity in paradise. As you know though, you can do anything you darn well please.

That is simply inane. A god that wanted beings to live an eternty in paradise could just create that. Setting up a "test" that lasts less than 100 years and providing no unambiguous instructions and considerable evidence that there is NO afterlife would be the work of an insane monster.

(November 12, 2018 at 5:04 pm)Everena Wrote: I determined my explanation for pain and suffering by deciding on the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe. The fact that over a billion people in the world think so too was just an added bonus.

The idea that you want this to be a fair and just universe has zero bearing on whether or not it is a fair and just universe. The evidence all points to it being a wholly uncaring universe and your refusal to accept that is entirely your loss. You can accept it and work to make things better now or reject it and continue living in your fantasy world along with everybody else who is unwilling to face reality as it is.

(November 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Everena Wrote: You should believe whatever makes the most sense to you and if that makes sense to you, so be it.

You should believe whatever the actual evidence supports, not what makes you feel good.

(November 12, 2018 at 5:13 pm)Everena Wrote: We only suffer through pain that we have intentionally caused to others in this life or in past lives, and especially to our other half/soulmate since they are the ones we can damage the most.

There's zero credible evidence of past lives.

Quote:I refuse to believe in an unfair and unjust cold, cruel universe theory. Sorry, that explanation will never make any sense to me.

"So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You’d better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can’t rearrange the universe." -- Isaac Asimov

I refuse to believe that my wife doesn't have beer flavored nipples that dispense bourbon!