I must admit that I'd never really read any of your posts through. The thread titles were usually enough to deter me. This time I decided to give it a chance and read it through.
I regret every second.

Yeah, he's talking to himself again.

Islam as a concept exists, no doubt.

Concepts do exist, for man conceptualizes them.  

Man also surrenders his reason for a comfortable delusion through stated conceptualization.

Islam is a concept that people delude themselves into accepting and believing for mere comfort.

(November 16, 2018 at 12:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Interesting enough, is that it talks about the forehead being what is sinful. Today we know it's that part of the brain that in it really lies the final decision making. The frontal lobe is where it's at, however, this can be metaphorically perceived as in the spiritual image of the person has become that of a liar, and we don't necessarily have to go the scientific miracle route every chance we have.

(November 16, 2018 at 12:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This Surah is very short, but shows humans are in need of guidance, surely they know God sees them, but turn aside and see themselves sufficient at the same time. 

Guidance outside of human nature, reason, and other humans? No, it doesn't show that. Matter of fact, it doesn't 'show' jack shit. It points out a common fact of human existence. Consider me underwhelmed.

(November 16, 2018 at 12:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: How they know God sees them is through his name, the same name they read through and reason through and talk through and understand each other through.

It doesn't actually say this, but I'll take it on faith that it's something you will get to later, so long as you will be exceedingly clear on what you mean by this. If you're just going to waffle about vague metaphors or equivocate on this, I don't think we should be having any of it. So, what exactly do you mean by His name and what do you mean when you write that we 'see' through his name. Since seeing doesn't involve names and can only be metaphorical, you're already off to a bad start.

(November 16, 2018 at 12:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Logic ultimately is characteristic linked and not separate from his name.   All knowledge also is in realms then to be learned in scope of his name.

Bullshit. This is nothing more than pre-suppositionalist nonsense, and essentially ends up begging the question, which is essentially vacuous. Show, don't tell.

(November 16, 2018 at 12:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Yet Muslims saw it incumbent to obey sinful rulers. This surely is a sign among many that will make the case to their opposition and heedless recitation of Quran!

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(November 16, 2018 at 12:32 pm)DodosAreDead Wrote: I must admit that I'd never really read any of your posts through. The thread titles were usually enough to deter me. This time I decided to give it a chance and read it through.
I regret every second.

You are wise beyond your years.

Will these ‘proofs’ be making an appearance in the foreseeable future?

Boru

The first chapter has the following arguments for God but all silent and subtle, but we will see Quran brings them in a more explicit way through out:

1. Argument from Logic link to God (read - by the name of Your Lord who created- ).
2. Argument from sense of language and eloquence beauty to God (same as above).
3. Argument from morality (guidance and hints the name of God to be by which guidance takes place).
4. Argument from vision ("Does he not know God sees?").
5. Argument from justice and awareness of it ("to God is the return"...and the verses linked to that in the chapter).


It also has the following arguments for Prophethood:

1. Need of obeying God and not sinners.
2. Need of guidance from God with respect to humans needing guidance from reading and being taught what they knew not, they are not without need of God guiding them as well.
3. God will rally the brave and courageous, this shows, God will establish a rally point.
4. To read with the name of God proves God can establish proofs through revelations and guidance by his name since language and his name are linked.

It has the following proof for leaders from God if Prophethood were to cease:

1. Need of obeying God and not sinners.
2. Need of emphasizing the true recitation of Gods' Name and not what sinners will interpret with regards to the book.
3. God will rally the brave and courageous, this shows, God will establish a rally point.
4. Everything can be contained with a revelation from God, but to see all that in it, will take help of those who are perfect instances of his name.
5. Need of guidance from God is perpetual per this Surah.

We will see these points are explicit other places, but were very condensed and subtle in this Surah.

Temp ban maybe, so he could chill peacefully with his girl?

(November 16, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

Who's that cutie?

Quote:This is the first chapter to be revealed to Mohammad.

Produce evidence ( real evidence....not your fucking silly book of shit ) that Mo was real and any of that nonsense happened.

Then you can move on to step #2.

By the first chapter, I mean 96th, the first chapter revealed.