(December 12, 2018 at 12:59 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 12:56 am)Amarok Wrote: Wolves are better problem solvers and are more independent 
https://welovewolves.club/dogs-and-wolve...m-solvers/

https://www.zmescience.com/ecology/anima...-17092015/

Next dogs care about human approval Wolves don't  and the intelligence of animals is dependent on their lifestyle

 Better problem solves?  More independent?

Three wolves in showdown with a dog.  Dog outsmarts all 3 by manipulating their behavior and juking them as soon as he found an advantage.  No human approval needed here.

Once again posting random videos does not refute my facts  . It's a fact wolves are more independent and better at problem solving . While dogs need to rely on an owner.And and far from outsmarting it got lucky . Sorry Wolves are better problem solvers then dogs

(December 12, 2018 at 1:06 am)Amarok Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 12:59 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:  Better problem solves?  More independent?

Three wolves in showdown with a dog.  Dog outsmarts all 3 by manipulating their behavior and juking them as soon as he found an advantage.  No human approval needed here.

Once again posting random videos does not refute my facts  . It's a fact wolves are more independent and better at problem solving . While dogs need to rely on an owner.And and far from outsmarting it got lucky . Sorry Wolves are better problem solvers then dogs

You don't seem to have any facts.

You say:
Wolves don't fetch - Videos of wolves playing fetch
Wolves are superior to dog - Wolf submits to dog when it tries to dominate it
Wolves are independent and better problem solvers - Video shows a small group of wolves working together, and single dog outsmarts them.

Quote:You don't seem to have any facts.

Yes i do 

You say:

Quote:Wolves don't fetch - Videos of wolves playing fetch

I was pointing out wolves are not domestic animals thus why would they be good at fetching 

Quote:Wolves are superior to dog - Wolf submits to dog when it tries to dominate it

They are physically and as hunters by the very nature of how they live . One video of a wolf losing does not prove this wrong and considering 

Quote:Wolves are also only reproductively active once a year, whereas dogs can cycle multiple times. Pound for pound wolves are stronger, have better endurance, have a much greater bite force, and are faster than all but a very select few breeds ofdog. ... Selectively bred high-content wolf dogs.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/are...94770.html

Or as  Theodore Roosevelt one put it 

Quote:A wolf is a terrible fighter. He will decimate a pack of hounds by rapid snaps with his giant jaws while suffering little damage himself; nor are the ordinary big dogs, supposed to be fighting dogs, able to tackle him without special training. I have known one wolf to kill a bulldogwhich had rushed at it with a single snap, while another which had entered the yard of a Montana ranch house slew in quick succession both of the large mastiffs by which it was assailed. The immense agility and ferocity of the wild beast, the terrible snap of his long-toothed jaws, and the admirable training in which he always is, give him a great advantage over fat, small-toothed, smooth-skinned dogs, even though they are nominally supposed to belong to the fighting classes. In the way that bench competitions are arranged nowadays this is but natural, as there is no temptation to produce a worthy class of fighting dog when the rewards are given upon technical points wholly unconnected with the dog's usefulness. A prize-winning mastiff or bulldog may be almost useless for the only purposes for which his kind is ever useful at all. A mastiff, if properly trained and of sufficient size, might possibly be able to meet a young or undersized Texas wolf; but I have never seen a dog of this variety which I would esteem a match single-handed for one of the huge timber wolves of western Montana. Even if the dog was the heavier of the two, his teeth and claws would be very much smaller and weaker and his hide less tough.

Hunting the Grisly and Other Sketches:
http://www.fulltextarchive.com/page/Hunt...ches3/#p34

Quote:Wolves are independent and better problem solvers - Video shows a small group of wolves working together, and single dog outsmarts them.

I sighted studies that prove this one random video of a dog getting lucky does not refute this. 

Quote:Even primitive dog breeds (more “wolf like” dogs) seem to be less adept at solving problems and more inclined to look towards a human for help.

Quote:Wolves have around 33% more gray matter than a comparably sized domestic dog. In general, I’ve witnessed the ability among wolves and high content wolfdogs to solve problems quickly that stymy dogs until they give up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/are...94770.html

(December 12, 2018 at 12:53 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(December 11, 2018 at 8:26 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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He could use quantum mechanics to perform some miracles.  He exists there and here and He knows everything.  Even the hairs on your head are counted.  Similar to a computer programmer who could create a simulation and have the hairs on the head counted.  The programmer could know everything about the simulated universe he created.

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 *Sigh*

Okay.. First, your analogy/apeal to a 'Hypersimulation' kind of misses the point.

I keep asking specific questions... To which you pretty much thow up "But quantum..." as a reply.

You keep asserting all sorts of things (Most of which are rather stange to read, I must admit) that, when asked specific questions about certain aspects... You generally devolve into 'Woo' like replies.

So, you have no idea *How your diety might do any oth the things you've proposed.
You've happily ignored some of the possible problems raised by others about some of the aspects of your proposed diety's aspects/abilites/atributes.


So, here's a couple other questions.

How do you know your diety proposition/idea is as or more valid than other diety propositions/forms?
Why are you right and Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Tao-ists, Zoroarastrians wrong?

 Not at work.

Its a troll.

Considering this, his responses could actually have been worse, but please dont expect a meaningful and honest interchange of opinions and arguments. Please do oyurself a favour and stop banging your head against this trollish wall.

(December 12, 2018 at 1:26 am)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:You don't seem to have any facts.

Yes i do 

You say:

Quote:Wolves don't fetch - Videos of wolves playing fetch

I was pointing out wolves are not domestic animals thus why would they be good at fetching 

Quote:Wolves are superior to dog - Wolf submits to dog when it tries to dominate it

They are physically and as hunters by the very nature of how they live . One video of a wolf losing does not prove this wrong and considering 

Quote:Wolves are also only reproductively active once a year, whereas dogs can cycle multiple times. Pound for pound wolves are stronger, have better endurance, have a much greater bite force, and are faster than all but a very select few breeds ofdog. ... Selectively bred high-content wolf dogs.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/are...94770.html

Or as  Theodore Roosevelt one put it 

Quote:A wolf is a terrible fighter. He will decimate a pack of hounds by rapid snaps with his giant jaws while suffering little damage himself; nor are the ordinary big dogs, supposed to be fighting dogs, able to tackle him without special training. I have known one wolf to kill a bulldogwhich had rushed at it with a single snap, while another which had entered the yard of a Montana ranch house slew in quick succession both of the large mastiffs by which it was assailed. The immense agility and ferocity of the wild beast, the terrible snap of his long-toothed jaws, and the admirable training in which he always is, give him a great advantage over fat, small-toothed, smooth-skinned dogs, even though they are nominally supposed to belong to the fighting classes. In the way that bench competitions are arranged nowadays this is but natural, as there is no temptation to produce a worthy class of fighting dog when the rewards are given upon technical points wholly unconnected with the dog's usefulness. A prize-winning mastiff or bulldog may be almost useless for the only purposes for which his kind is ever useful at all. A mastiff, if properly trained and of sufficient size, might possibly be able to meet a young or undersized Texas wolf; but I have never seen a dog of this variety which I would esteem a match single-handed for one of the huge timber wolves of western Montana. Even if the dog was the heavier of the two, his teeth and claws would be very much smaller and weaker and his hide less tough.

Hunting the Grisly and Other Sketches:
http://www.fulltextarchive.com/page/Hunt...ches3/#p34

Quote:Wolves are independent and better problem solvers - Video shows a small group of wolves working together, and single dog outsmarts them.

I sighted studies that prove this one random video of a dog getting lucky does not refute this. 

Quote:Even primitive dog breeds (more “wolf like” dogs) seem to be less adept at solving problems and more inclined to look towards a human for help.

Quote:Wolves have around 33% more gray matter than a comparably sized domestic dog. In general, I’ve witnessed the ability among wolves and high content wolfdogs to solve problems quickly that stymy dogs until they give up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/are...94770.html

Both dogs and wolves can be domesticated. If you take a wolf and a dog of similar size, the wolves will generally submit to the dog.  Take a dog like a Caucasian Shepherd, and it's very unlikely that a pack of wolves will make an attempt to get anywhere near it.  There is a reason mankind has been preferable to domesticating dogs more so than wolves.  Wolves can be great animals though.  It's in their nature to be social and wild wolves with sometimes try to bond with dogs and humans if they notice them close by, even if it's just wanting to play.

Quote:Both dogs and wolves can be domesticated.

That has nothing to do anything and while they can be domesticated too some degree they are still a wild animal and can't be trusted 

Quote: If you take a wolf and a dog of similar size, the wolves will generally submit to the dog.  

Citation needed .Considering i already linked to the fact wolves are stronger faster etc  then dogs of the same size i have doubts.  

Quote:Take a dog like a Caucasian Shepherd, and it's very unlikely that a pack of wolves will make an attempt to get anywhere near it. 

Citation needed  and yes i'm aware of videos and the dogs reputation i also point out that the wolf sometimes wins 

Quote:There is a reason mankind has been preferable to domesticating dogs more so than wolves.

Yes Wolves are not a reliable pet their still a wild animal 

Quote:  Wolves can be great animals though. 

Aside the point 

Quote: It's in their nature to be social and wild wolves with sometimes try to bond with dogs and humans if they notice them close by, even if it's just wanting to play.

Once again the reason we choose the dog is because wolves can never be trusted as they are still wild

(December 12, 2018 at 6:53 am)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:Both dogs and wolves can be domesticated.

That has nothing to do anything and while they can be domesticated too some degree they are still a wild animal and can't be trusted 

Quote: If you take a wolf and a dog of similar size, the wolves will generally submit to the dog.  

Citation needed .Considering i already linked to the fact wolves are stronger faster etc  then dogs of the same size i have doubts.  

Quote:Take a dog like a Caucasian Shepherd, and it's very unlikely that a pack of wolves will make an attempt to get anywhere near it. 

Citation needed  and yes i'm aware of videos and the dogs reputation i also point out that the wolf sometimes wins 

Quote:There is a reason mankind has been preferable to domesticating dogs more so than wolves.

Yes Wolves are not a reliable pet their still a wild animal 

Quote:  Wolves can be great animals though. 

Aside the point 

Quote: It's in their nature to be social and wild wolves with sometimes try to bond with dogs and humans if they notice them close by, even if it's just wanting to play.

Once again the reason we choose the dog is because wolves can never be trusted as they are still wild

Well so far you don't seem to know jack about wolves.  This includes making claims that they "won't fetch anything", when there are even cases of wolves coming out from the bush because they see an owner playing with their dog and they want to play too.  Wolves are social creatures, and when you get that, you'll get wolves, and stop running around believing in the "wolf god" who runs around all by his lonesome, looking to bother people.

Quote:Well so far you don't seem to know jack about wolves. 

I know alot about wolves 

Quote:This includes making claims that they "won't fetch anything",

I never said that so why is it in quotations ? i said they wouldn't be  good at fetching because there a wild animal .I clarified this already in a previous comment .

Quote: when there are even cases of wolves coming out from the bush because they see an owner playing with their dog and they want to play too. 

Citation needed but even if true this does not refute my point 

Quote: Wolves are social creatures, and when you get that, you'll get wolves, and stop running around believing in the "wolf god" who runs around all by his lonesome, looking to bother people.

What are you on ?

(December 12, 2018 at 8:22 am)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:Well so far you don't seem to know jack about wolves. 

I know alot about wolves 

Quote:This includes making claims that they "won't fetch anything",

I never said that so why is it in quotations ? i said they wouldn't be  good at fetching because there a wild animal .I clarified this already in a previous comment .

Quote: when there are even cases of wolves coming out from the bush because they see an owner playing with their dog and they want to play too. 

Citation needed but even if true this does not refute my point 

Quote: Wolves are social creatures, and when you get that, you'll get wolves, and stop running around believing in the "wolf god" who runs around all by his lonesome, looking to bother people.

What are you on ?

Black Wolf who was named later named "Romeo" comes out of woods because it wanted to play.  Then started playing with other dogs.  Had a piece of styrofoam it started bringing to humans so it could play fetch.

(December 12, 2018 at 9:18 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 8:22 am)Amarok Wrote: I know alot about wolves 



I never said that so why is it in quotations ? i said they wouldn't be  good at fetching because there a wild animal .I clarified this already in a previous comment .


Citation needed but even if true this does not refute my point 



What are you on ?

Black Wolf who was named later named "Romeo" comes out of woods because it wanted to play.  Then started playing with other dogs.  Had a piece of styrofoam it started bringing to humans so it could play fetch.

By the mans own admission it was a rare instance