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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 4:32 pm
(December 17, 2018 at 4:15 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Reference? Sorry, it's not that I don't believe you, but I don't blindly accept claims from people. Thanks.
Reference for what?
Adherents.com for percentage of atheism by country.
History books for Hitler's and Pinochet's theism.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 5:00 pm
(December 17, 2018 at 4:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (December 17, 2018 at 4:15 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Reference? Sorry, it's not that I don't believe you, but I don't blindly accept claims from people. Thanks.
Reference for what?
Adherents.com for percentage of atheism by country.
History books for Hitler's and Pinochet's theism.
Academic references/citations. Not going on a wild goose chase for information you claim exists.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 5:16 pm
(This post was last modified: December 17, 2018 at 5:16 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 17, 2018 at 4:15 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(December 17, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It's probably more accurate to state that he refuses to allow for that simple fact because it doesn't give him pretext to endlessly bitch about other things.
No, it's that you're not stating facts. You're stating your own personal views. That's called an opinion. Why should I believe you over others who say differently?
It is a fact that atheism concerns one's state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 5:30 pm
Max's opinions: "It's a fact!"
Max's view of other's opinions: "Well, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I'm very intelligent, I'm just not a big believer."
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 5:51 pm
(December 17, 2018 at 2:40 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 17, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I adhere to many things. Atheism, however, concerns one's state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
I think you don't understand. You choose to be atheist. Why? Blind reason? If not, there must be something.
There are in fact atheists that aren't atheists because they want to be. People like me that spent 15 years of their life reading a looking into many different religions hoping to find something there, and just gave up because they couldn't find any reason to believe that any of them were true.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 5:59 pm
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(December 17, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: (December 17, 2018 at 4:15 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
No, it's that you're not stating facts. You're stating your own personal views. That's called an opinion. Why should I believe you over others who say differently?
It is a fact that atheism concerns one's state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
You keep changing your definition. If you have three different definitions, then maybe stick with one for now. If not, use a source that you feel can explain it better.
So far:
Door #1 - Non-belief
Door #2 - State of belief
Door #3 - Product of circumstance based on logic
(December 17, 2018 at 5:51 pm)unsapien Wrote: (December 17, 2018 at 2:40 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I think you don't understand. You choose to be atheist. Why? Blind reason? If not, there must be something.
There are in fact atheists that aren't atheists because they want to be. People like me that spent 15 years of their life reading a looking into many different religions hoping to find something there, and just gave up because they couldn't find any reason to believe that any of them were true.
There we go. Someone with a credible answer. A conclusion based on one's life experience.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 6:40 pm
(This post was last modified: December 17, 2018 at 6:43 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 17, 2018 at 5:59 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 17, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It is a fact that atheism concerns one's state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
You keep changing your definition. If you have three different definitions, then maybe stick with one for now. If not, use a source that you feel can explain it better.
So far:
Door #1 - Non-belief
Door #2 - State of belief
Door #3 - Product of circumstance based on logic
It...is a fact.....that atheism concerns one's state of belief......in gods.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Atheism concerns ones state of belief in gods. There's no need to convince you of atheism being wonderful, because atheism has nothing to do with wonderful.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There's nothing to adhere to. Atheism concerns ones state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I adhere to many things. Atheism, however, concerns one's state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I choose many things. Atheism, however, concerns one's state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
............. do you understand?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 6:46 pm
Personally, I chose atheism to make myself even MORE of a chick magnet. You know what they say: 'Once you go can't-find-a-coherent-reason-to-believe-in-gods-while-at-the-same-time-being-appalled-by-the-callous-inhumanity-of-those-who-do, you NEVER go back!'
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 7:15 pm
(December 17, 2018 at 3:14 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 17, 2018 at 2:46 pm)unfogged Wrote: Did you choose to not believe that leprechauns exist?
Did I make a claim about leprechauns?
I didn't say that you did. I asked a question. I'm sorry if that was too confusing for you. I'll try to keep things simpler.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 17, 2018 at 7:21 pm
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(December 17, 2018 at 6:40 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: (December 17, 2018 at 5:59 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: You keep changing your definition. If you have three different definitions, then maybe stick with one for now. If not, use a source that you feel can explain it better.
So far:
Door #1 - Non-belief
Door #2 - State of belief
Door #3 - Product of circumstance based on logic
It...is a fact.....that atheism concerns one's state of belief......in gods.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Atheism concerns ones state of belief in gods. There's no need to convince you of atheism being wonderful, because atheism has nothing to do with wonderful.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There's nothing to adhere to. Atheism concerns ones state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I adhere to many things. Atheism, however, concerns one's state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I choose many things. Atheism, however, concerns one's state of belief in gods.
Do you understand?
.............do you understand?
You're calling it several different things. Pick one definition. It will either be subjective (your definition) or objective (use a citation). You're trying to use your definition and make it objective. There's no reason to take your assertion as objective because it's personal to you and has little to do with anything else.
What is the sun?
Sun (Subjective) - A big thing in the sky that makes me feel warm and happy
Sun (Objective) - The star that is the central body of the solar system. (From dictionary.com - see link)
If I told you my subjective definition of the sun in the example, would you take it at face value and say it was the definition for everybody? I'm guessing no. So why should I do the same for you. Common sense should tell you to use the definition from the dictionary and apply it.
Do you understand?
(December 17, 2018 at 7:15 pm)unfogged Wrote: (December 17, 2018 at 3:14 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Did I make a claim about leprechauns?
I didn't say that you did. I asked a question. I'm sorry if that was too confusing for you. I'll try to keep things simpler.
No, make them logical. Why do I care about leprechauns? It has nothing to do with the conversation, and I have no reason to substantiate the statement one way or another.
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