(January 10, 2019 at 5:06 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 9, 2019 at 11:44 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Yeah, it's kind of hard to build walls around your house when it's actually an apartment.

A better view of Pelosi's home from Google Street View.

And cross-referenced against an old photo of a protest at her home:


I suppose there are some views where it looks like there might be some huge wall, but that's mostly because, well, you do know that a lot of the streets in San Francisco slope, right? And that that's how they rectify that? Hell, I chose a view that emphasises how open it really is.

Pelosi owns at least four homes.  So pick the one without a wall?

It sad though, because it looks like a lot of the photos got scrubbed off the Internet, and all that's left are the older photos of her red brick manse.  Of course, I can't prove it, so I'll leave it alone.

She owns at least one home in Georgetown.  Plus a vineyard in California.

The controversy is over the Queen Anne home, which isn't her home, but in the general location of the red brick manse, so no disagreement there.

I think you should stick to weighing balls.

(January 10, 2019 at 10:20 pm)Javaman Wrote:

(January 10, 2019 at 5:06 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Pelosi owns at least four homes.  So pick the one without a wall?

It sad though, because it looks like a lot of the photos got scrubbed off the Internet, and all that's left are the older photos of her red brick manse.  Of course, I can't prove it, so I'll leave it alone.

She owns at least one home in Georgetown.  Plus a vineyard in California.

The controversy is over the Queen Anne home, which isn't her home, but in the general location of the red brick manse, so no disagreement there.

I think you should stick to weighing balls.

Wow. Touchy.

(January 9, 2019 at 3:20 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 9, 2019 at 2:19 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: To be fair, we don’t have agents in Russia to help rig the ballots, now, do we?

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Well, to be fair, it is the only plank on his platform that he has consistently supported throughout his campaign.

Because democrats don't try to rig elections?

- Democrats pay retired British M16 agent, Richard Steele, GPS Fusion to generate a dossier on a Trump-Russia connection.  Steele, of course, ran the Russia desk out of M16 in London until he retried.
- DNC sabotages Hillary Clinton rival Bernie Sanders and forces him out of their primary.  Over 20,000 e-mails were hacked by Wikileaks and made public, including e-mails from DNC officials discussing using the media to derail the Sander's campaign.
- Broward County election supervisor, Brenda Snipes, "misplaced" more than 2000 ballots during Florida 2018 general election.  Why she was even in charge of Broward County in 2018 is disturbing after the mess from 2016 when the same person had a ruling against her for violating the Florida Constitution and illegally destroying ballots.

The dossier was originally being complied for one of Trumps republican rivals.

(January 11, 2019 at 11:21 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 9, 2019 at 3:20 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Because democrats don't try to rig elections?

- Democrats pay retired British M16 agent, Richard Steele, GPS Fusion to generate a dossier on a Trump-Russia connection.  Steele, of course, ran the Russia desk out of M16 in London until he retried.
- DNC sabotages Hillary Clinton rival Bernie Sanders and forces him out of their primary.  Over 20,000 e-mails were hacked by Wikileaks and made public, including e-mails from DNC officials discussing using the media to derail the Sander's campaign.
- Broward County election supervisor, Brenda Snipes, "misplaced" more than 2000 ballots during Florida 2018 general election.  Why she was even in charge of Broward County in 2018 is disturbing after the mess from 2016 when the same person had a ruling against her for violating the Florida Constitution and illegally destroying ballots.

The dossier was originally being complied for one of Trumps republican rivals.

It was originally being compiled by a conservative media outlet, The Washington Free Beacon, but they stopped their investigation shortly after.  The DNC on the other hand, is not a media outlet, and they used it to try to interfere with the election.  Not only through the services provided, but leaking it.  Then of course Buzzfeed started pushing it and got slammed.

BrianSoddingBoru4

(January 9, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Whether trump could have committed treason to a large degree depend on interpretation of the word “enemies”.   If the interpretation is broad, then trump can fry, or preferable end in a manner much much more prolonged and continuously unpleasant.

Actually, 'enemies' is legally defined (as regards treason), so there isn't a lot of room for interpretation.

But don't get me wrong - Trump is an absolutely vile, corrupt president, and few things would make me happier than to see him frog-marched out of office. But treason?  Nope, not yet.


Actually, we don’t know if he’s committed treason yet or not, because Mueller is not done with his investigation. So at least the possibility at least still exists.


Boru

Quote:Actually, we don’t know if he’s committed treason yet or not, because Mueller is not done with his investigation. So at least the possibility at least still exists.

Actually, we do.  In the US treason consists of levying war against the US or giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US.  Case law has determined that 'levying war' means an actual physical, shooting war and 'enemies' means States with which the US in in a state of open or declared war.

Since Trump hasn't started an armed insurrection, and you aren't currently at war with any States, there's no possibility of treason.

Boru

(January 14, 2019 at 11:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Actually, we don’t know if he’s committed treason yet or not, because Mueller is not done with his investigation. So at least the possibility at least still exists.

Actually, we do.  In the US treason consists of levying war against the US or giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US.  Case law has determined that 'levying war' means an actual physical, shooting war and 'enemies' means States with which the US in in a state of open or declared war.

Since Trump hasn't started an armed insurrection, and you aren't currently at war with any States, there's no possibility of treason.

Boru

At best they can try and impeach him, but they've already tried multiple times and couldn't even get a simple majority with the democrats.  They might be able to push it now, but I don't think they will.  Even if they did, they may be shooting themselves in the foot for 2020 because then it would make Pence the front runner.  This is just my personal opinion, but I think he would be a lot harder to run against in 2020 just because he articulates things better than Trump and he hasn't had the same monkey on his back for the past 2+ years.

(January 14, 2019 at 12:55 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 11:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Actually, we do.  In the US treason consists of levying war against the US or giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US.  Case law has determined that 'levying war' means an actual physical, shooting war and 'enemies' means States with which the US in in a state of open or declared war.

Since Trump hasn't started an armed insurrection, and you aren't currently at war with any States, there's no possibility of treason.

Boru

At best they can try and impeach him, but they've already tried multiple times and couldn't even get a simple majority with the democrats.  They might be able to push it now, but I don't think they will.  Even if they did, they may be shooting themselves in the foot for 2020 because then it would make Pence the front runner.  This is just my personal opinion, but I think he would be a lot harder to run against in 2020 just because he articulates things better than Trump and he hasn't had the same monkey on his back for the past 2+ years.

Whether he's impeached will depend in large part on what Mueller's investigation reveals.  I think a more likely scenario is that Trump will be pressured into resigning, Pence will pardon him, because of which Pence will lose in 2020 (a la Gerald Ford).

Boru

(January 14, 2019 at 3:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 12:55 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: At best they can try and impeach him, but they've already tried multiple times and couldn't even get a simple majority with the democrats.  They might be able to push it now, but I don't think they will.  Even if they did, they may be shooting themselves in the foot for 2020 because then it would make Pence the front runner.  This is just my personal opinion, but I think he would be a lot harder to run against in 2020 just because he articulates things better than Trump and he hasn't had the same monkey on his back for the past 2+ years.

Whether he's impeached will depend in large part on what Mueller's investigation reveals.  I think a more likely scenario is that Trump will be pressured into resigning, Pence will pardon him, because of which Pence will lose in 2020 (a la Gerald Ford).

Boru

Could happen, but who is going to run again either Trump or Pence?  Seems like in the past couple weeks they're announcing a new one every day or two.  It will be interesting to see once the primaries start.

(January 11, 2019 at 11:21 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 9, 2019 at 3:20 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Because democrats don't try to rig elections?

- Democrats pay retired British M16 agent, Richard Steele, GPS Fusion to generate a dossier on a Trump-Russia connection.  Steele, of course, ran the Russia desk out of M16 in London until he retried.
- DNC sabotages Hillary Clinton rival Bernie Sanders and forces him out of their primary.  Over 20,000 e-mails were hacked by Wikileaks and made public, including e-mails from DNC officials discussing using the media to derail the Sander's campaign.
- Broward County election supervisor, Brenda Snipes, "misplaced" more than 2000 ballots during Florida 2018 general election.  Why she was even in charge of Broward County in 2018 is disturbing after the mess from 2016 when the same person had a ruling against her for violating the Florida Constitution and illegally destroying ballots.

The dossier was originally being complied for one of Trumps republican rivals.

Probably all of them.