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The code that is DNA
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 29, 2019 at 3:47 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
(December 29, 2019 at 3:44 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: That there is no reason is irrelevant, a perfect God can create an imperfect product, there is no logical problem about it.
Actually it is relivan .Just because you don't want to address it doesn't make not so .

Please stop this childlish nonsense, nothing forces God to make a perfect product. If you don't think so, you must demonstrate that a god must make perfect beings.
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 29, 2019 at 3:49 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 29, 2019 at 3:47 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Actually it is relivan .Just because you don't want to address it doesn't make not so .

Please stop this childlish nonsense, nothing forces God to make a perfect product. If you don't think so, you must demonstrate that a god must make perfect beings.
So more avoiding the question then and ironically childish table thumping
"Change was inevitable"


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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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RE: The code that is DNA
Sungula In his wisdom knows it’s better not to say how after 30000 fruit fly generations there is 0 evidence of macro evolution

He stands by that
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 29, 2019 at 3:39 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 29, 2019 at 3:21 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Nope, we simply said that DNA is too flawed to be designed and then you initiated Bible talk and Eden.

Designed doesn't necessarily imply perfect.

Where did I say perfect? 70% of pregnancies in women don't go through the end because of the bad DNA. Millions of people are suffering because of genetic diseases, there are houses for babies to die in, because they only have few hours of life because of bad DNA.

If someone was making a product as God is supposedly designing DNA that person would immediately be fired and barred for ever working in that job, and in many professions that person would be in jail.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 29, 2019 at 3:55 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Sungula In his wisdom knows it’s better not to say how after 30000 fruit fly generations there is 0 evidence of macro evolution

He stands by that

And speciation is a weak spot in the theory too. No amount of mutations seems to produce new species, and yet evolution must be true, you know Hmph .
RE: The code that is DNA
Quote:Sungula In his wisdom knows it’s better not to say how after 30000 fruit fly generations there is 0 evidence of macro evolution
Jack in in his wisdom keeps reciting his ignorance of the work of a biologist who disagrees with his conclusions  of his work, And doing his best denialist impersonation on the subject of macro evolution. And he stands by his ignorance.

Quote:And speciation is a weak spot in the theory too. No amount of mutations seems to produce new species, and yet evolution must be true, you know [Image: hmph.gif] 
Only to the ignorant on the delusional is this so
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 29, 2019 at 4:01 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Where did I say perfect? 70% of pregnancies in women don't go through the end because of the bad DNA. Millions of people are suffering because of genetic diseases, there are houses for babies to die in, because they only have few hours of life because of bad DNA.

If someone was making a product as God is supposedly designing DNA that person would immediately be fired and barred for ever working in that job, and in many professions that person would be in jail.

Genetic diseases are not yet entirely understood, environmental factors do play a role in their appearance. There is no way you can hold a deity responsible for something you don't understand fully.

And suppose bad DNA was actually responsible for most of the diseases out there, the fact stands : this world isn't supposed to be perfect from a theological viewpoint, random deaths, no matter how tragic and unjust they appear to our limited understanding, are part of this imperfectness.
RE: The code that is DNA
Quote:Genetic diseases are not yet entirely understood, environmental factors do play a role in their appearance. There is no way you can hold a deity responsible for something you don't understand fully.
So your response is
1.Mysterious ways 
2.God is helpless or apathetic to and against environmental factors 

Quote:And suppose bad DNA was actually responsible for most of the diseases out there, the fact stands : this world isn't supposed to be perfect from a theological viewpoint, random deaths, no matter how tragic and unjust they appear to our limited understanding, are part of this imperfectnes
Still dodging the question then
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]



 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 29, 2019 at 4:14 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: So your response is
1.Mysterious ways

And what's wrong with mysterious ways? Your brain cannot even handle two tidying tasks equally well, let alone grasp why an omniscient god would do certain things.

(December 29, 2019 at 4:14 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: 2.God is helpless against environmental factors

I mean by environmental factors things like people smoking, industrial pollution, etc.

(December 29, 2019 at 4:14 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:And suppose bad DNA was actually responsible for most of the diseases out there, the fact stands : this world isn't supposed to be perfect from a theological viewpoint, random deaths, no matter how tragic and unjust they appear to our limited understanding, are part of this imperfectnes
Still dodging the question

The question is ill-posed to begin with.
RE: The code that is DNA
At work.

Not wanting to derail this thread about biology with the theology side of things.....

I've never understood the "Diety works in mysterious ways ." generally because those of a theological mind can't 'Square away' things like "Problem of evil." and such with the opposite "Diety's loving nature."

How can those of the theological mind set declare/insist that something's nature is one thing and yet leave a of these 'Unknown' and 'Mysterious ways' stuff?

Cheers.



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