(September 14, 2020 at 9:17 pm)Eleven Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 3:01 pm)Drich Wrote: what if in your world and theological views you are on the wrong side of history?

Aside from the fact that I am not wrong concerning my understanding of god's non-existence, I will attempt to treat the question as a hypothetical. If someday in my lifetime god's existence is proven empirically, then I would be able to easily accept that I had been wrong. That does not mean, however, that the god in question would still be worthy of acknowledgment or love.

you guys kill me.. if god is proven empirically, then in your mind he can not be god. what will be on display to you will be labeled an alien or transdimensional being in your eyes, and then you will find reason then like now not to worship what you can identify.

(September 14, 2020 at 3:01 pm)Drich Wrote: How could you not know?

Quote:If I was to be judged by a god, first he would have to answer to me.

who are you? if a cop arrests you for murder and you are processed and found guilty would a judge be obliged to first be scrutinized by you? now think about that because a judge only has the power and authority we give him.. God's power and authority far exceed that.

Quote: After all, a world that objectively operates as though there is no creator can easily and understandably be viewed as a world where god does not exist.

you world or world view is not accurate of how the real or rest of the world works.. atheist accounts for 4%. that means 4% out of 7 billion see this world as being godless.

(September 14, 2020 at 3:01 pm)Drich Wrote: did you not seriously ever objectively look at your beliefs?

Absolutely, and that is why I am an atheist.
[/quote] so many upon true critical exploration find they can not be atheist.

Quote:And furthermore, the questions you have asked are questions that have been repeatedly asked before. We keep giving our same answers, which keep being ignored by the theists who simply cannot fathom the reality of a world without god's existence. The prideful ones, it seems, are the theists who see a god where there is not one and then demand that others see that same god.

i find the opposite to be true.

No one has any confidence in the things you call true, Drich. I've been asking you for as long as you've been here, given your stated goals, why you say the silly shit you say, and act the way you do. How it could possibly help to fish for men.

You come up with anything yet, or is this you throwing in the towel?

(September 14, 2020 at 9:53 pm)Fireball Wrote: Hey, drich, I still think that you should go over to the ravingatheists forum and bring some of them to the light.   I haven't seen your handle over there. Did you register as "egor"? 

never heard of them.. i been spending time on reddit which talking about butt hurt, those guys don't know how to handle themselves when confronted with a different pov on god.. some just repeat them selves over and over. like hey this argument always works, or claim i am not playing by the rules and get me booted for things like saying god answers prayer.. (that's preaching evidently.) but there are a few plus face book where the mods are not afraid to let a christian school some 'thinkers.' plus if i come back here full time... 6 pages of dialog in less than 24 hours. i might have my hands full. you could always invite some of those heavy hitters here.. plus i always post under drich and my sun flower except on facebook. which is my reg name.

A lot of sophistry and imposition.

Do you ever have a change of heart, Drich?

(September 14, 2020 at 11:07 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 10:24 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: OMG - not The Egor??????

Can't be the same person.  Egor was a raving lunatic but he could spell and even write coherent sentences even if his message was less than coherent.

Given the span of time when the Egor was posting there and now, I'm damned if I can recall what his postings looked like. I DO remember mass quantities of inanity...kind of like what I'm seeing with drich. BTW, he got his ass handed to him for preaching, at another atheist forum.    After TFTSNBN banned his ass, and he got a time-out here, he went to that other place. Made it to 120 posts before walking away with his tail between his legs. Ah-ah-ahh, no preaching here!    I'd be amused to see what he says about that. Bullshit would dignify that exposition.

preaching is a bull shite charge it means anything you cant refute= preaching. i was once asked to provide scripture pertaining homosexuality status as sin, and i did. ban forever preaching.  then like 6 or 7 years later came back same name and avatar lasted 3 to 4 months no issues then bann again for that same first charge of preaching 7 years prior.

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(September 14, 2020 at 11:15 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 11:07 pm)Fireball Wrote: Given the span of time when the Egor was posting there and now, I'm damned if I can recall what his postings looked like. I DO remember mass quantities of inanity...kind of like what I'm seeing with drich. BTW, he got his ass handed to him for preaching, at another atheist forum.    After TFTSNBN banned his ass, and he got a time-out here, he went to that other place. Made it to 120 posts before walking away with his tail between his legs. Ah-ah-ahh, no preaching here!    I'd be amused to see what he says about that. Bullshit would dignify that exposition.

I knew that his "vacation" from AF meant he tried out his Evangelical skills elsewhere.   Also knew it didn't work out so back he came.

He really should have spent his time off from here attempting to master the language.

i'm always on two or three different sites. plus now i have been making youtube videos.. to answer the common questions. because there comes a point where the house atheist dont feel comfortable in their own website to comment as they please.. so you have to rotate crops/fields and give one a rest.. I usally give you guys a 2 or 3 month rest around christmas every year but seeing how covid had us all n lock down we burned out early this year.

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(September 14, 2020 at 11:35 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 3:25 pm)Drich Wrote: well all the good nazi's were atheist.. and had an affinity for evolution/natural selection selective breeding programs. 

Hitler was a devout Catholic. 

The same people the Nazis persecuted were the victims of 2,000 years of Christian persecution: the Jews, the gays and the occult-practicing Gypsies. In fact, the Holocaust itself was the culmination of Christian antisemitism that festered in Europe since the dawn of Christianity. 

The Nazis were scientific quacks. Evolution does not have anything to do with their woo-woo beliefs on Eugenics.

not according to the reference material i left. he cut ties from the rc church and started his own brand of christianity. "positive (nazi state) christianity" we had this discussion before and most of what you believe is bs. again educate yourself on non revisionist history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

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(September 14, 2020 at 11:41 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote: and had an affinity for evolution/natural selection selective breeding programs. 

Hitler rejected evolution and eugenics was supported by  many Christians and had advocated for since the ancient greeks  . Evolution doesn't support eugenics .

I assume your beliefs are based off robert richards thoughts on the subject. (his thoughts have been adopted by modern day athiest. )here is an essay that point by point refutes what richard has to say: https://www.csustan.edu/history/was-hitl...-darwinism  you can read the paper but more or less you are wrong. hitler cited many times darwin and his theory which again inspired his selective breeding programs and all manner of genetic experiments. 

But about those pot marks....

...please elaborate.

(September 15, 2020 at 2:31 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: But about those pot marks....

...please elaborate.

And define 'infantigo' (sounds like a musical notation that means 'play this part like a squalling baby').

Boru

(September 15, 2020 at 1:52 pm)Drich Wrote: not according to the reference material i left. he cut ties from the rc church and started his own brand of christianity. "positive (nazi state) christianity" we had this discussion before and most of what you believe is bs. again educate yourself on non revisionist history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

That's still not atheism.

(September 15, 2020 at 11:25 am)Drich Wrote:

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(September 14, 2020 at 6:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Let's try a timeline that makes some sense.

Your journey started in 1994 and after a week you were too exhausted to argue with people here.  You registered here in 2012.

So, you were tired of arguing with people who weren't sympathetic enough to you roughly 18 years before you registered?  If I allow the five years of medical testing that would be 1999...still 13 years before you registered here.

Please enlighten us.  Were you in some sort of time warp?  Out hanging out with angels in parking lots again?

no stupid.. i started in 1994.. i started here in 2012 on day one shared my 1994 experience. and argued it for some time. with no issues. it came up minimally from 12 to 14 when it did i rehashed the same.. till someone told me about people like me who had seeming spontaneously 'healed.' which reminded me of the doctor asking if he could document and write a paper or something to that effect on my situation. and i was googling and saw that people as early as 94 presented with and the condition went away.. which is when i started noticing that same type of lesion on my legs,, but these would burst out into a quarter size wound that would crust over in white scale and never go away got them on my elbows as well. after a while went to the doctor he did a full blood test, then sent me to a urologist/hematologist.. that was in 2014.. i told him of the fluctuation in white blood cell count/semi aids diagnosis, and he did his own blood work then he busted in my room telling me i has months to live as there was a 98% chance i had cancer, and he started ordering all kinds of tests. i think i shared that up front, and someone brought up the aids thing jokingly predicting god would heal me of it like the aids thing, and then all hell broke loose. That was when i stopped defending myself. up till then i held my own and most of you understood the situation. but one or two of your more compassionate members here were pretty relentless and broke my will to defend what i was experiencing. then a year ago easter my dad died. and a week after that i was cleared.  again really not up for you vultures to 20 on one attack my life as one of you in particular for whatever reason got it in your evil mind my father was something they could use to taunt me with.. when in fact i worked with him as an agnostic/desist till the last year of his life and found god and a church to go to. I can't complain if i share something openly an a monster tries to use it as a tool to hurt me with it. but at the same time i do not have to play the game. which to most of you is the same as admitting a lie or wrong doing.. because it is 20 to 1 here my options are limited. sometime i have to give up an inch here to make it up some where else.

Ya know what Scooter...maybe you would get some sympathy/empathy if you weren't such a lying sack of shit.

You've had health issues.  A lot of us here have or do.

I had breast cancer...in both breasts though only one side was diagnosed.  The other cancerous cells were found after the mastectomies were completed.  I was told I probably had three years, at best.  Okay...I did my research and decided to go with the bi-lat mastectomy and no chemo or radiation or any other therapy of any kind.  If I had three years I wasn't going to spend it sick on the cure.  Guess what?  I was cleared of cancer in 2014 - the five year mark after the diagnosis.  It wasn't God.  It wasn't a miracle.  It was the way things with my body and my choices worked out.

Then I had a widow maker heart attack three years ago.  The day afterward I was asking my doctor when I could go home...I was in ICU.  He thought I should stay a night or two...just in case.  The nurse had to ask for help to discharge me because she had never discharged someone from ICU to home...only to a regular room.  I was admitted on Monday morning and home on Wednesday morning.  It wasn't God...it was a damn good doctor and medical team and my instincts that told me to call 911 when I did...I even fed the cat before dialing 911.  

You can't even decide what supposedly ailed you and you surely can't figure out a treatment for your mystery ailments.

You just claim you were sick with something really bad and GAWD saved your sorry ass.

If you weren't such a miserable, lying, condescending POS people here would maybe give a shit.

So much of Derptchs crap to refute so instead of using quotes i'll just cliff note my response and save myself the headache of wading through the ocean of stupid

1. By reference source you mean a wikipedia article and well as well as own vapid ramblings . Now i could play this same game with the dozen or so PDF's i have in my favorites showing Hitler hated atheism and considered it godless communism and Jewery . But that's really shoddy way of doing history .

2. As for your little rant  about why the Christians left . Because Lady was nice doesn't she could handle criticism and i'm sorry it was more the one bad day and the response was justified, And no we don't need you. There have been plenty of good threads (i would say more good threads ) in your absence.

3. I have already read  the paper you linked by noted creationist hack and discovery institute stooge Richard Weikart writer of pseudo history and creationist propaganda , And it fails as a refutation of Richard Roberts points and fails even harder to prove it's central thesis . It engages in Richard Weikart usual slippy misuse of quotes and "creative " interpretation of wording . I'm amazed this is still up on a university website truly embarrassing. If this was suppose to prove me wrong you failed miserably

4. What those who cry revisionist history really mean is  "it doesn't suit my agenda "

Anyway once again responding to you has proven dull and pointless . I'm done .