(November 1, 2021 at 7:19 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: I choose to believe that gender is defined by genitalia

And there’s the root of your problem, isn’t it? Rational thinking doesn’t allow for chosen beliefs. And here you are, choosing your belief based on your personal preferences and, I suspect, comfort level with regard to gender identity and biological sex, rather than following the current available evidence to where ever it may or may not lead you. And to make matters worse, your stated reason for this preferential choice, on its face, is nothing more than an ‘appeal to tradition’ fallacy:

Quote:which is how it has always defined for thousands of years

though I have an inkling there may be more to it than that. Something about what Jebus says you should think about Those People, perhaps?

Quote:which apparently means I'm filled with hate...lol. On the other hand you guys reject beliefs people have held for thousands of years... are you filled with hate also?

Again, the length of time people have believed a thing is irrelevant to its truth or falsehood. What I hate is the weaponization of those beliefs for the purpose of stomping on vulnerable, innocent people. Fringe take, I know.

Let me ask you this, @Huggy Bear :

Why should the LGBTQ community, or anyone here, or anyone anywhere care about a belief you hold of trans people that 1. harms trans people, 2. is, foundationally, a logical fallacy, and 3. that you freely admit you hold; versus other potential beliefs of trans people; because it’s the one you like better. I mean honestly, why should anyone take you seriously after such a shamelessly hateful admission?

'I am not Sheldon Cooper - I'm not a scientist, I don't speak Klingon. I do have a male roommate, but I can assure you that it's a vastly different arrangement.' - Jim Parsons

Boru

(November 2, 2021 at 1:07 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let me ask you this, @Huggy Bear :

Why should the LGBTQ community, or anyone here, or anyone anywhere care about a belief you hold of trans people that 1. harms trans people, 2. is, foundationally, a logical fallacy, and 3. that you freely admit you hold; versus other potential beliefs of trans people; because it’s the one you like better. I mean honestly, why should anyone take you seriously after such a shamelessly hateful admission?

Lol you guys LITERALLY asked me for MY opinion and kept spamming me until I answered, now yall big mad... SMH.

It's not like I'm holding radical views here, the few gay coworkers I work with hold similar views about trans, so it not about hate, I mean look at Foxaires last post.

Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answer to.

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(November 1, 2021 at 9:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 7:19 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:  I choose to believe that gender is defined by genitalia, which is how it has always defined for thousands of years which apparently means I'm filled with hate...lol.

Gender isn't and has never been defined by genitalia.  Calling a guy a sissy, for example... is very much a gendered expression...but isn't taken by anyone to mean that he doesn't have an actual penis, and I think you know that.

You're not filled with hate because you choose to believe some ignorant thing.  That just makes you willfully ignorant.  I don't think there's any reason at all for the hate.  It just lives rent free in your mind, because you're a ridiculous person - evidenced by the fact that you choose to believe ignorant things.

It must be exhausting.

You never answered my question,. How does a person determine if a dog is male or female.

(November 2, 2021 at 4:29 am)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 1:07 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let me ask you this, @Huggy Bear :

Why should the LGBTQ community, or anyone here, or anyone anywhere care about a belief you hold of trans people that 1. harms trans people, 2. is, foundationally, a logical fallacy, and 3. that you freely admit you hold; versus other potential beliefs of trans people; because it’s the one you like better. I mean honestly, why should anyone take you seriously after such a shamelessly hateful admission?

Lol you guys LITERALLY asked me for MY opinion  and kept spamming me until I answered, now yall big mad... SMH.

Whoa! Stop the press! Bigot finally admits he’s a bigot after 30 some odd pages!

I asked you why you think people should care about your beliefs if they’re both irrational and they hurt people. Maybe you don’t think people should care about them. If that’s the case, then we’re finally in agreement on something, lol. Humanity absolutely shouldn’t give oxygen to hurtful, irrational beliefs about others. I suppose that’s why people get “big mad” over bigotry, yeah?

Let me ask you this: why don’t you care that you hold a belief about a group of people that is both irrational, and hurts them? Is your disgust so deep that you simply prefer to stew in it because it feels good to do so, as opposed to learning and potentially losing that feeling? What does that say about you? (Rhetorical question) That you’re the kind of person who values the personal satisfaction you get from being a bigot toward Those People more than you value preventing the harm that those bigoted beliefs cause.

I never want to hear another complaint from you about discrimination and oppression of the black community. Ever. It’s just stunning that you’re willing…no…happy to feel about other marginalized groups the very same way you cry is wrong and immoral when people feel a similar way of your own marginalized group. That is a lack of empathy the likes of which I’ve never witnessed in a person before now. So, congrats on your new low, I guess? Why did it take you this long to admit it? Why didn’t you just come out and say “I’m a bigot and I like it”? You could have saved yourself a lot of time. 

And by the way, appealing to other bigots (gay or otherwise) who espouse similarly irrational, hurtful beliefs is neither a good argument nor a flex, so I’m not sure why you mentioned it. 

Thanks for coming clean, anyway, lol.

(November 2, 2021 at 4:29 am)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 1:07 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let me ask you this, @Huggy Bear :

Why should the LGBTQ community, or anyone here, or anyone anywhere care about a belief you hold of trans people that 1. harms trans people, 2. is, foundationally, a logical fallacy, and 3. that you freely admit you hold; versus other potential beliefs of trans people; because it’s the one you like better. I mean honestly, why should anyone take you seriously after such a shamelessly hateful admission?

Lol you guys LITERALLY asked me for MY opinion  and kept spamming me until I answered, now yall big mad... SMH.

It's not like I'm holding radical views here, the few gay coworkers I work with hold similar views about trans, so it not about hate, I mean look at Foxaires last post.

Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answer to.

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(November 1, 2021 at 9:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Gender isn't and has never been defined by genitalia.  Calling a guy a sissy, for example... is very much a gendered expression...but isn't taken by anyone to mean that he doesn't have an actual penis, and I think you know that.

You're not filled with hate because you choose to believe some ignorant thing.  That just makes you willfully ignorant.  I don't think there's any reason at all for the hate.  It just lives rent free in your mind, because you're a ridiculous person - evidenced by the fact that you choose to believe ignorant things.

It must be exhausting.

You never answered my question,. How does a person determine if a dog is male or female.

By looking at the dog’s genitals. But ‘male’ and ‘female’ are not genders. I know you refuse to accept the scientific consensus on this, but sex and gender are two different things, regardless of your archaic opinion on the matter.

Boru

(November 2, 2021 at 5:22 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 4:29 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: Lol you guys LITERALLY asked me for MY opinion  and kept spamming me until I answered, now yall big mad... SMH.

Whoa! Stop the press! Bigot finally admits he’s a bigot after 30 some odd pages!

I asked you why you think people should care about your beliefs if they’re both irrational and they hurt people. Maybe you don’t think people should care about them. If that’s the case, then we’re finally in agreement on something, lol. Humanity absolutely shouldn’t give oxygen to hurtful, irrational beliefs about others. I suppose that’s why people get “big mad” over bigotry, yeah?

Let me ask you this: why don’t you care that you hold a belief about a group of people that is both irrational, and hurts them? Is your disgust so deep that you simply prefer to stew in it because it feels good to do so, as opposed to learning and potentially losing that feeling? What does that say about you? (Rhetorical question) That you’re the kind of person who values the personal satisfaction you get from being a bigot toward Those People more than you value preventing the harm that those bigoted beliefs cause.

I never want to hear another complaint from you about discrimination and oppression of the black community. Ever. It’s just stunning that you’re willing…no…happy to feel about other marginalized groups the very same way you cry is wrong and immoral when people feel a similar way of your own marginalized group. That is a lack of empathy the likes of which I’ve never witnessed in a person before now. So, congrats on your new low, I guess? Why did it take you this long to admit it? Why didn’t you just come out and say “I’m a bigot and I like it”? You could have saved yourself a lot of time. 

And by the way, appealing to other bigots (gay or otherwise) who espouse similarly irrational, hurtful beliefs is neither a good argument nor a flex, so I’m not sure why you mentioned it. 

Thanks for coming clean, anyway, lol.

I'm staying out of this convo except to say, "Garak!!"

(November 2, 2021 at 1:07 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let me ask you this, @Huggy Bear :

Why should the LGBTQ community, or anyone here, or anyone anywhere care about a belief you hold of trans people that 1. harms trans people, 2. is, foundationally, a logical fallacy, and 3. that you freely admit you hold; versus other potential beliefs of trans people; because it’s the one you like better. I mean honestly, why should anyone take you seriously after such a shamelessly hateful admission?

 Game, set and match (yet again)

(November 2, 2021 at 4:29 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: You never answered my question,. How does a person determine if a dog is male or female.

You must mean you never read my answer. I suspect you do that alot.

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(November 1, 2021 at 1:38 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 1:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Dog gender has to be about the dumbest context for this imaginable.  They don't appear to have a gender concept at all.  That's mostly because gender isn't about whether you can reach under a dog and pull their crank.  They don't seem to have social and cultural differences reducing to their sex - not even the bare bones divisions of labor found in other communal hunters.  It would make a little more sense, but not alot more sense, to ask this about lions - for example.

Asking how to tell if a dog is male or female, in a conversation about gender is both ignorant and absurd - which is impressive, even for you Hugs.  It does make me wonder if you think that's what we should be doing, though.  Station a state sanctioned crank yanker at every little girls room..you know, to stop all the men in dresses?

Wild dogs are social, and I suppose you can also say they have cultural differences related to their sex, the alpha male and female.

Are you saying there's no way to tell which is which?

-and there you are, quoting and ostensibly responding to the answer you claim to have never been provided with.