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[Serious] Ethics
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 (March 1, 2022 at 8:30 am)brewer Wrote:(March 1, 2022 at 8:28 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Part of the (expanded) version of the trolley problem is that you don't know anything about the people on the tracks. Future knowledge doesn't impact ethical actions. Because, you know, it can't. Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
 (March 1, 2022 at 8:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(March 1, 2022 at 8:30 am)brewer Wrote: Maybe I don't but everybody else does and they tell me after. No, but it makes my action not amount to a hill of beans.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
I believe that we can presume that objective moral values and intrinsically good and evil acts exist, even if such do not (which would be difficult, if not impossible to prove), akin to the Peano axioms from mathematics.
 (March 1, 2022 at 5:22 am)The L Wrote: (1) Consquentailism Is there some reason why you have to choose one system, sign up for the team, and wear the team colors? Surely they're all useful tools to think about ethical issues. Quote:Also, an answer to the trolley problem would be cool. I should kill the 1 to save the 5. Would you throw yourself on the tracks to save 5?  (March 1, 2022 at 5:22 am)The L Wrote: Do you have an ethical system? And, if so, what is it? All three. (March 1, 2022 at 5:22 am)The L Wrote: ... Is the 1 a catholic priest? If so, no brainer. Are all 5 catholic priests? If so, no brainer. The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert) The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation) (March 1, 2022 at 8:44 am)Belacqua Wrote:(March 1, 2022 at 5:22 am)The L Wrote: (1) Consquentailism Yes, "no greater love than a man has than to lay down his life for his friends." 
Ethical principles: Think and Care
I guess that means I am closest to virtue ethics, but with a healthy dose of consequentialism thrown in. There are several different trolley problems. I assume no other knowledge about the people involved. 1. Divert a train coming up to a split to 1 or 5: choose to save 5 2. Train headed to 5 but can be diverted to 1: probably save 5 3. Push 1 onto the tracks to save 5: This one bothers me. I probably would not push. If further knowledge is available, the answers might differ. For example, I would push a mega-church preacher with no qualms. (March 1, 2022 at 8:59 am)Jehanne Wrote:(March 1, 2022 at 8:44 am)Belacqua Wrote: Is there some reason why you have to choose one system, sign up for the team, and wear the team colors? And the verse immediately following that one: ‘Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.’ Jesus had some funny notions about love and friendship. Certainly not a consequentialist. Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
I suspect that deontology is a form of consequentialism. We follow the rule regardless because on average that will yield the best consequences.
I used to have strong opinions about ethics. Not anymore. I vacillate between error theory and moral realism in my beliefs, but I'm agnostic about most of ethics. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)
Don't put that fork in the light socket! Deontology
because it would kill you - consequentialism and that's dumb as a box of rocks - virtue ethics
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