not as you pointed out. as you opined. which is not the same thing.

(September 25, 2022 at 6:59 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: not as you pointed out. as you opined. which is not the same thing.

Time will tell, of course (although, we will all have completed our lives before any of us get to see the ultimate outcome, which may not occur for thousands of years), but I suspect that Big Oil will see to it that all that can be used will get used, at least in the near term. In any case, everyone can judge for themselves:

https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2

(September 25, 2022 at 6:45 pm)Jehanne Wrote: As I posted already in this thread (but, it just needs to get emphasized again, and I'm sorry!), nuclear power is absolutely pointless if the oil that the United States drills and produces is simply sent elsewhere to be burned as fossil fuels.  Ditto for coal.

The perfect should not be the enemy of the good.

(September 26, 2022 at 10:14 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(September 25, 2022 at 6:45 pm)Jehanne Wrote: As I posted already in this thread (but, it just needs to get emphasized again, and I'm sorry!), nuclear power is absolutely pointless if the oil that the United States drills and produces is simply sent elsewhere to be burned as fossil fuels.  Ditto for coal.

The perfect should not be the enemy of the good.

The issue here is death & annihilation of the human species, and, perhaps, all mammalian life.

(September 25, 2022 at 5:48 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: There is the issue of nuclear waste. Yes, If we dispose of them correctly today, perhaps in 400 / 500 years future generations can teleport them to the sun or perhaps even make use of them. But today, even in developed countries these wastes are sometimes simply tossed into lakes, rivers, oceans etc.

Geez, if people had the technology to teleport stuff to the sun, they would have other means of disposing of nuclear waste.

But reading this topic made me realize that there is not enough talk about science. I mean, what is the state of nuclear technology today?

But that is not so easy to answer. Unlike religion, you can not just say whatever you want, although people are trying. Like, I saw recently Bill Nye said that the solution to carbon pollution will be electric airplanes and carbon capture. And that is very naive. But who has the answer? Frighteningly, no one seems to have.

(September 26, 2022 at 5:52 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(September 25, 2022 at 5:48 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: There is the issue of nuclear waste. Yes, If we dispose of them correctly today, perhaps in 400 / 500 years future generations can teleport them to the sun or perhaps even make use of them. But today, even in developed countries these wastes are sometimes simply tossed into lakes, rivers, oceans etc.

Geez, if people had the technology to teleport stuff to the sun, they would have other means of disposing of nuclear waste.

But reading this topic made me realize that there is not enough talk about science. I mean, what is the state of nuclear technology today?

But that is not so easy to answer. Unlike religion, you can not just say whatever you want, although people are trying. Like, I saw recently Bill Nye said that the solution to carbon pollution will be electric airplanes and carbon capture. And that is very naive. But who has the answer? Frighteningly, no one seems to have.

Because it’s not just one answer, but a whole raft of them. And because no one is willing to put up with long term discomfort to address the issue.

And we DO know what needs to be done, there’s just neither the political or public will to do it. Here’s a partial list of what has to happen for climate change to be ameliorated:

-Invest trillions in the change to renewables.

-Ditto public transport.

-Ditto reforestation.

-Outlaw personal pets.

-Ban concrete construction.

-Enforced vegetarian (or at least pescatarian) diets.

-Limit family size.

-Outlaw golf courses/cemeteries/amusement parks and convert that property to farmland.

There’s lots more, but politicians and industry are not going to get behind ANY of it in a significant manner because there’s not sufficient public support for it.

Boru

Good suggestions, but, not even the communists are doing all these things.

(September 26, 2022 at 7:57 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Good suggestions, but, not even the communists are doing all these things.

No one is, and I think I just explained why.

Boru

(September 26, 2022 at 11:11 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 26, 2022 at 10:14 am)Angrboda Wrote: The perfect should not be the enemy of the good.

The issue here is death & annihilation of the human species, and, perhaps, all mammalian life.

That is a vast exaggeration of the potential consequences.

So much so it discredits the entire topic

(September 26, 2022 at 6:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 26, 2022 at 5:52 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Geez, if people had the technology to teleport stuff to the sun, they would have other means of disposing of nuclear waste.

But reading this topic made me realize that there is not enough talk about science. I mean, what is the state of nuclear technology today?

But that is not so easy to answer. Unlike religion, you can not just say whatever you want, although people are trying. Like, I saw recently Bill Nye said that the solution to carbon pollution will be electric airplanes and carbon capture. And that is very naive. But who has the answer? Frighteningly, no one seems to have.

Because it’s not just one answer, but a whole raft of them. And because no one is willing to put up with long term discomfort to address the issue.

And we DO know what needs to be done, there’s just neither the political or public will to do it. Here’s a partial list of what has to happen for climate change to be ameliorated:

-Invest trillions in the change to renewables.

-Ditto public transport.

-Ditto reforestation.

-Outlaw personal pets.

-Ban concrete construction.

-Enforced vegetarian (or at least pescatarian) diets.

-Limit family size.

-Outlaw golf courses/cemeteries/amusement parks and convert that property to farmland.

There’s lots more, but politicians and industry are not going to get behind ANY of it in a significant manner because there’s not sufficient public support for it.

Boru

And this is Why I work under the assumption that we’re more or less fucked on the climate front; the measures that we’d need to take are so extreme and so unpopular that hardly anyone’s going to support them, even if it means the difference between the long-term survival of the species.