Oh look, a new diet from my cardiologist. Stop taking heart meds, wrap a stick of butter with bacon and sprinkle liberally with salt. Deep fry if you can figure out how.

Said he read the fascinating 'research' by the Galileo of the forum and realized his years of study and working as a practicing cardiologist mean nothing.

/s

(October 17, 2022 at 10:49 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(October 17, 2022 at 8:59 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: How it does not? The fact is that a significant percentage of people (if I remember correctly, around 41%) having a heart attack also have low blood pressure. If the relationship is causal (and it is hard to imagine it is not), that means that, had those people eaten something that increases blood pressure (such as salt), maybe they wouldn't have gotten a heart attack, right?

OK, I'll weigh in here. When was the BP measured? Was it clinically diagnosed prior to the patient's admission for a heart attack? Just maybe heart failure results in lower BP during admission to the hospital for said condition? Maybe some of them flat-lined. Guaranteed to give a low blood pressure reading. How much med school have you been through? What makes you actually competent, other than some hearsay that you read? You come here asking for programming help, and you claim to be a programmer. Do you get the gist of what I'm saying, here?

Surely you aren't suggesting they may not be the expert they think they are?

/s

(October 19, 2022 at 9:09 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: No, I think they determine the cause and effect using the p-values. I think the p-value can be estimated analitically here, but I am not willing to spend time relearning statistics just for this, so I am going to estimate it numerically using this JavaScript program (just like I numerically estimated the p-value in the latest linguistics paper I have published):

Code:

const how_many_people_in_the_general_population_have_low_blood_pressure=1/3; // I think it's even less than that, but let's go with that.
const how_many_people_with_heart_attacks_have_low_blood_pressure=0.41;
const how_many_people_were_in_the_study=100; // And I am quite sure there were more, but let's go with that.
const how_many_times_will_we_run_the_simulation=10_000;
let how_many_times_did_we_get_the_expected_result=0;
for (let i=0; i<how_many_times_will_we_run_the_simulation; i++) {
  let counter=0;
  for (let i=0; i<how_many_people_were_in_the_study; i++)
    counter+=Math.random()<how_many_people_in_the_general_population_have_low_blood_pressure;
  if (counter/how_many_people_were_in_the_study>how_many_people_with_heart_attacks_have_low_blood_pressure)
    how_many_times_did_we_get_the_expected_result++;
}
console.log(`The p-value is ${how_many_times_did_we_get_the_expected_result/how_many_times_will_we_run_the_simulation*100}%.`);

That program prints:

Code:

The p-value is 4.32%.

Since the p-value is less than 5%, we conclude the relationship is causal.

What a lovely example of garbage in - garbage out. Here's what the people who did actual research said:

Mills KT, Stefanescu A, He J. The global epidemiology of hypertension. Nat Rev Nephrol. 2020 Apr;16(4):223-237.

The abstract begins, "Hypertension is the leading cause of cardiovascular disease and premature death worldwide."

And goes on to say, "Variations in the levels of risk factors for hypertension, such as high sodium intake..."

Feel free to read the entire article. Peer-reviewed or it didn't happen.

That program prints:
P=0.001 that I am dead wrong.

I don’t know why he hasn’t already been recognized for his breakthrough work in the field. 😂

(October 19, 2022 at 9:11 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

Code:

const number_that_I_pulled_out_of_my_ass=1/pi;
const number_that_I_didnt_understand_at_all=0.14;
const another_number_that_I_pulled_out_of_my_ass=123; // And I am quite sure there were more, but let's go with that.
const how_many_times_will_I_make_a_fool_of_myself=10_000; // I'm sure it's more than that!
let how_many_times_did_I_do_research_before_modelling=0;
for (let i=0; i<did_I_really_need_to_define_a_constant_just_to_manage_a_for_loop?; i++:) {
  let counter=0;
  for (let i=0; i<some_number_that_I_pulled_out_of_my_ass; i++:)
    counter+=Math.random()<my_ill-founded_opinion;
  if (my_bloated_ego>my_lack_of_common_sense)
    how_many_times_did_we_get_the_expected_result++;
}
set I_am_right_damn_you_all = True
console.audio(Derisive_Laughter.wav`);

That program prints:

Code:

Run time error 642: Code refuses to compile on ethical grounds

P=0.001 that I am dead wrong.

(October 19, 2022 at 9:53 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I don’t know why he hasn’t already been recognized for his breakthrough work in the field. 😂

 You guys are killin' me!

ETA- Paleo, I've seen some shit code in my time, but this is truly precious! 

The compiler I use is libertarian.  It doesn't tell you code must be written any certain way.

(October 19, 2022 at 11:36 pm)Ranjr Wrote: The compiler I use is libertarian.  It doesn't tell you code must be written any certain way.

Funny! But when I look back at all the FORTRAN code I've written, I'd beg to differ. Like the honey badger, FORTRAN compiler doesn't give a shit.

(October 19, 2022 at 11:41 pm)Fireball Wrote: Funny! But when I look back at all the FORTRAN code I've written, I'd beg to differ. Like the honey badger, FORTRAN compiler doesn't give a shit.

Hah!  It did exactly what the punch card told it to.  That bastard.

(October 19, 2022 at 10:42 pm)Fireball Wrote: ETA- Paleo, I've seen some shit code in my time, but this is truly precious! 

I hope that you enjoyed the random conversion of closing parentheses into smileys.