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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:24 pm
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(November 7, 2022 at 12:18 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (November 7, 2022 at 12:16 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yeah, wasn't any of that, just NASAMS and other modern air defense facing off against aging tech and poor leadership.
You know this how?
I keep myself appraised of the situation as much as we can, with confirmed losses, geolocated osint, publicly available transfer lists, russian and ukrainian chatter, etc.
I mean, all the way down at the bottom of this well, we're talking about this being a proxy war but doubting, what, exactly, that the us sent ukraine the weapon systems confirmed on the ground that russia is loudly complaining about on account of those weapons systems screwing up their hastily made plans? I recall earlier on in the invasion people lamenting over how this was an opaque war, but, that's really only the case if you expect to get your news from fox or cnn. It's one of the most observed and publicly available conflicts in world history, in mere reality.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:27 pm
(November 7, 2022 at 12:19 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:The Ukrainian claims of Shooting down 90% of the Russian missile seems to be in keeping with the customary practice of Soviet historiography, which frequently asserts the. brave forces of the mother land having captured some number of the German invaders, and killed some number of German invaders, at some glorious battle. Either of these two numbers turn out to be larger than the total number of Germans that were there during the battle.
Or the Russians missile systems are simply shit and the Ukrainians are having an easy time shooting them down.
Their missiles are able to strike power plants, correct?
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:29 pm
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Sometimes, lol. OFC, every missile sent at a powerplant with the aim of depriving civilians of heat or light or water is a missile that can't be fired at ukranian troops - and that's a big part of why russia hasn't been doing well.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:30 pm
(November 7, 2022 at 12:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sometimes, lol. OFC, every missile sent at a powerplant with the aim of depriving civilians of heat or light or water is a missile that can't be fired at ukranian troops - and that's a big part of why russia hasn't been doing well.
The people there who are without power are not laughing.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:31 pm
(November 7, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (November 7, 2022 at 12:19 pm)Helios Wrote: Or the Russians missile systems are simply shit and the Ukrainians are having an easy time shooting them down.
Their missiles are able to strike power plants, correct? Sometimes. But ultimately that is a waste of missiles.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:31 pm
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You'd be surprised. That's one of the lessons that russia is going to have to take from this, actually. That they can't even rely on terrifying a country like ukraine. That they will be mocked and laughed at even in the face of atrocity. So, next time..if there's a next time, they're going to need a more conventional and credible invasion plan.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:35 pm
(November 7, 2022 at 12:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (November 7, 2022 at 12:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sometimes, lol. OFC, every missile sent at a powerplant with the aim of depriving civilians of heat or light or water is a missile that can't be fired at ukranian troops - and that's a big part of why russia hasn't been doing well.
The people there who are without power are not laughing. I imagine they are because Russia is screwing itself over. How can that not be funny?
Every missile wasted on a powerplant is one not used to kill their troops and those troops can get on to kicking Russia out of their country.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:35 pm
(November 7, 2022 at 12:31 pm)Helios Wrote: (November 7, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Their missiles are able to strike power plants, correct? Sometimes. But ultimately that is a waste of missiles.
Waste of power plants, also.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:38 pm
Absolutely, if russia's aim in the event of it's hoped for victory were to responsibly manage the country....but.....that doesn't seem to be the case. More that it was just a lever in some silly propaganda stunt, now being excused away in their loss as a proxy war against the great satan.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 12:42 pm
Quote:Waste of power plants, also.
Well take that up with Russia
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