(March 24, 2023 at 5:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 24, 2023 at 11:06 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Then you are contradicting a 2-millenia old consensus in philosophy. Is that what you want?

The consensus you’re imagining doesn’t exist. What constitutes ‘knowledge’ is very much an open question among epistemologists.

But that’s beside the point, which is whether a scientifically reached conclusion has a different value from the same conclusion reached by other means.

Boru

Since science is the most reliable way of knowing about the empirical things, it does.

(March 24, 2023 at 5:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 24, 2023 at 11:06 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Then you are contradicting a 2-millenia old consensus in philosophy. Is that what you want?

The consensus you’re imagining doesn’t exist. What constitutes ‘knowledge’ is very much an open question among epistemologists.

But that’s beside the point, which is whether a scientifically reached conclusion has a different value from the same conclusion reached by other means.

Boru

Personally, I'd say scientifically reached conclusion hold more weight simply because it requires repeated testing, documentation, ruling out of various factors and finally and evidence-based conclusion.

EG:

Person A: Water turns to ice due to invisible ice goblins. 

Person B: Water turns to ice when the temperature of the water drops below 32F (0C). This causes the water molecules to slow down enough to stick to each other and form a solid crystal.  

(March 26, 2023 at 10:48 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(March 24, 2023 at 5:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The consensus you’re imagining doesn’t exist. What constitutes ‘knowledge’ is very much an open question among epistemologists.

But that’s beside the point, which is whether a scientifically reached conclusion has a different value from the same conclusion reached by other means.

Boru

Personally, I'd say scientifically reached conclusion hold more weight simply because it requires repeated testing, documentation, ruling out of various factors and finally and evidence-based conclusion.

EG:

Person A: Water turns to ice due to invisible ice goblins. 

Person B: Water turns to ice when the temperature of the water drops below 32F (0C). This causes the water molecules to slow down enough to stick to each other and form a solid crystal.  

Of course it carries more weight, but this isn’t about a wrong non-scientific conclusion, but about one that happens to be right.

Person A (non-science): Water turns to ice only when it gets very, very cold.

Person B (science): Water turns to ice only when it gets very, very cold.

Boru

(March 26, 2023 at 10:38 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(March 24, 2023 at 5:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The consensus you’re imagining doesn’t exist. What constitutes ‘knowledge’ is very much an open question among epistemologists.

But that’s beside the point, which is whether a scientifically reached conclusion has a different value from the same conclusion reached by other means.

Boru

Since science is the most reliable way of knowing about the empirical things, it does.

It’s not about reliability, it’s about whether an accurate conclusion reached by happenstance has a value  different from the same conclusion reached by scientific investigation.

Boru

(March 26, 2023 at 11:43 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 26, 2023 at 10:48 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Personally, I'd say scientifically reached conclusion hold more weight simply because it requires repeated testing, documentation, ruling out of various factors and finally and evidence-based conclusion.

EG:

Person A: Water turns to ice due to invisible ice goblins. 

Person B: Water turns to ice when the temperature of the water drops below 32F (0C). This causes the water molecules to slow down enough to stick to each other and form a solid crystal.  

Of course it carries more weight, but this isn’t about a wrong non-scientific conclusion, but about one that happens to be right.

Person A (non-science): Water turns to ice only when it gets very, very cold.

Person B (science): Water turns to ice only when it gets very, very cold.

Boru

I understand.  I suppose I would just prefer the right answer to have substance.

(March 26, 2023 at 10:36 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 5:36 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: It's a variation of Myrrdin.

I know that, but I can't guess what it means in this context.

It's a wizard, Harry.

(March 26, 2023 at 6:15 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(March 26, 2023 at 10:36 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: I know that, but I can't guess what it means in this context.

It's a wizard, Harry.

(I’ll save him the time.)

What does that mean?

Boru

(March 26, 2023 at 11:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 26, 2023 at 10:38 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Since science is the most reliable way of knowing about the empirical things, it does.

It’s not about reliability, it’s about whether an accurate conclusion reached by happenstance has a value  different from the same conclusion reached by scientific investigation.

Boru

A conclusion that is more reliable has more value. Don't you agree?

Quote:A conclusion that is more reliable has more value. Don't you agree?

This doesn't invalidate accidental knowledge. Which has value.