(May 6, 2023 at 10:58 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 10:57 am)arewethereyet Wrote: When you reach 30/30, if you reach 30/30, you can post links.

can I send you the link to post it yourself, the last one you deleted is really important

So much for the unstoppable beast.

(May 6, 2023 at 4:19 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: It is broken is what it is. We have precisely zero experience with creation of universes or creation from nothing. What you call "creation" is merely rearranging existing matter and energy. Your analogy fails.

We have experience of what an intelligent agent is capable of doing (us). So the anaology goes the universe might also be the work of an intelligence

Probably you shouldn't forget the bigger picture. When you consider things as big and sophisticated as the Solar System, is it acceptable to you if we say: nah, unimpressive, all this is just rearrangement of matter. You want us to seriously believe that something this huge kept rearranging itselff in ad hoc ways for billions of years, and that life forms as complicated as human beings came out of this mess ?

Are you trying to bastardize people ? Consider something mundane such as following a recipe, we know that human beings can perfectly fail at that by a simple, tiny mistake and screw the meal. Imagine that the task was assigned to monkeys instead of human beings, the probability of failure is now much higher. Imagine if we have no one instead of monkeys, ..........?
 When we have a good cook, they will smartly combine the ingredients and leave the food in the oven, and the oven will take care of the rest. If we have a good meal in the end, that's because we have a smart and knowledgeable cook. It's certainly not solely explained by the oven alone. The oven being an analogy for the "forces of nature"; 

The whole evolutionary history is a very long "cooking" process that yielded human beings. You really need a good cook who put the right ingredients in the oven........

(May 6, 2023 at 10:13 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 10:09 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: YOU claim a god exists, so the burden of proof is on you.

I provided my proof : 

all experience show that only personal agents produce things. It takes work to accomplish things. A fortiori, it took some agent's work to bring about this universe and all it contains

This is not deductive proof (it's not analytic), it's analogical

That's proof of exactly fuck-all. You're offering an opinion and claiming it's fact. Too bad a mental midget like yourself can't get the essential difference.

Quote:Bro, we're strangers to each other. So don't talk like you know me for a decade, this makes you look retarded.

Are you retarded, bro ?

First off I'm not your "Bro" Second I wasn't talking like I know you so the fuck are you on about. Third the only one around here who fits the description of the R-word or whose comments come close to making them look like the R-word is you. So kindly go fuck yourself.

(May 6, 2023 at 10:38 am)The End of Atheism Wrote: I keep my religion private.

Afraid we'll point and laugh?

Pussy.

Quote:Did you ever see wind assemble random matter into an airplane ? 
Did you ever see a computer turn on by itself and write a brilliant computer program ?

Do you see a pattern now, bro, that things don't generally take action themselves ?

Pointing to man-made structures and then trying to impose that onto life the universe and everything....Instant false comparison

And I'm not your Bro.....

(May 6, 2023 at 10:58 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 10:57 am)arewethereyet Wrote: When you reach 30/30, if you reach 30/30, you can post links.

can I send you the link to post it yourself, the last one you deleted is really important

Nobody cares what "reason" (read, excuse) you want to use. Read the rules and you'll understand. Continue posting in willful ignorance of those rules and the staff will still ban you for breaking them.

(May 6, 2023 at 5:05 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 4:19 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: It is broken is what it is. We have precisely zero experience with creation of universes or creation from nothing. What you call "creation" is merely rearranging existing matter and energy. Your analogy fails.

We have experience of what an intelligent agent is capable of doing (us). So the anaology goes the universe might also be the work of an intelligence

Probably you shouldn't forget the bigger picture. When you consider things as big and sophisticated as the Solar System, is it acceptable to you if we say: nah, unimpressive, all this is just rearrangement of matter. You want us to seriously believe that something this huge kept rearranging itselff in ad hoc ways for billions of years, and that life forms as complicated as human beings came out of this mess ?

Are you trying to bastardize people ? Consider something mundane such as following a recipe, we know that human beings can perfectly fail at that by a simple, tiny mistake and screw the meal. Imagine that the task was assigned to monkeys instead of human beings, the probability of failure is now much higher. Imagine if we have no one instead of monkeys, ..........?
 When we have a good cook, they will smartly combine the ingredients and leave the food in the oven, and the oven will take care of the rest. If we have a good meal in the end, that's because we have a smart and knowledgeable cook. It's certainly not solely explained by the oven alone. The oven being an analogy for the "forces of nature"; 

The whole evolutionary history is a very long "cooking" process that yielded human beings. You really need a good cook who put the right ingredients in the oven........

You're failing your science classes, aren't you? Or, are you another victim of christer home schooling?

(May 6, 2023 at 5:29 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 5:05 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote: We have experience of what an intelligent agent is capable of doing (us). So the anaology goes the universe might also be the work of an intelligence

Probably you shouldn't forget the bigger picture. When you consider things as big and sophisticated as the Solar System, is it acceptable to you if we say: nah, unimpressive, all this is just rearrangement of matter. You want us to seriously believe that something this huge kept rearranging itselff in ad hoc ways for billions of years, and that life forms as complicated as human beings came out of this mess ?

Are you trying to bastardize people ? Consider something mundane such as following a recipe, we know that human beings can perfectly fail at that by a simple, tiny mistake and screw the meal. Imagine that the task was assigned to monkeys instead of human beings, the probability of failure is now much higher. Imagine if we have no one instead of monkeys, ..........?
 When we have a good cook, they will smartly combine the ingredients and leave the food in the oven, and the oven will take care of the rest. If we have a good meal in the end, that's because we have a smart and knowledgeable cook. It's certainly not solely explained by the oven alone. The oven being an analogy for the "forces of nature"; 

The whole evolutionary history is a very long "cooking" process that yielded human beings. You really need a good cook who put the right ingredients in the oven........

You're failing your science classes, aren't you? Or, are you another victim of christer home schooling?

Indeed comparing flipping food items and cooking to the formation of the universe.... Instant fail.

(May 6, 2023 at 5:19 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: That's proof of exactly fuck-all. 

(May 6, 2023 at 5:23 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Nobody cares <snip>

(May 6, 2023 at 5:29 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: You're failing <snip>

Can you like, put in some extra effort when answering ?

(May 6, 2023 at 5:22 pm)Helios Wrote: Pointing to man-made structures and then trying to impose that onto life the universe and everything....Instant false comparison

That's the same comparison that Hume spent a lifetime pondering, and ended up acknolwedging it resolves into amoral theism. 

I guess you should take some time to use what's inside your skull (if any), before jumping on the keyboard.