You don’t appear to have enough brain cells to form impressions.

(May 16, 2023 at 3:30 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: You don’t appear to have enough brain cells to form impressions.

At least, you knew how to read the first line of my previous post and how to comment it.
It is a good start.
Please don't worry, sooner or later, you will surely know how to read more and add more useful informative comments as you did now.

Wish you the best.
Kerim
 

I do have enough brain cells to form impressions and my impression of you is you are not capable of writing anything worth reading.

(May 16, 2023 at 1:12 am)Astreja Wrote: Praying and talking to oneself are distinctly different things.  When I'm working on a math problem, reading numbers aloud as I copy them from a worksheet onto scrap paper, that is not a prayer.  Looking through the fridge and saying "The milk, the eggs... Bread, margarine..." while gathering ingredients for breakfast - also not a prayer.

Atheists.  Do.  Not.  Pray.

(May 16, 2023 at 1:56 am)KerimF Wrote: Surely, there is nothing wrong in what you said.
But as the way one talks to some others is different from one situation to another (talking for fun, looking for decisions, arguing... etc.), talking to oneself is not necessarily of the same spirit (sorry, my English is rather narrow. I wish I know a better word that doesn't hurt an atheist). This is why I added:

... every time he says “Let me be alone” then enters a room for a while after he closes its door behind him.

After all, one is fortunate indeed, if he didn't need to live such situation any time in his life.

The only time I would say "Let me be alone" would be if I were talking to another person, and if they were somehow trying to stop me from leaving.

And the language I would use in that case would probably be a lot less polite than your example, too.

(I generally wouldn't say "Let me be alone" if I'm the only one there - there's no need to do so.)

(May 16, 2023 at 5:22 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I do have enough brain cells to form impressions and my impression of you is you are not capable of writing anything worth reading.

I hope I will not need to wait for long to hear something from you which will be worth reading.
But please take your time. There is nothing urgent and thank you in advance.

(May 16, 2023 at 6:16 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(May 16, 2023 at 1:12 am)Astreja Wrote: Praying and talking to oneself are distinctly different things.  When I'm working on a math problem, reading numbers aloud as I copy them from a worksheet onto scrap paper, that is not a prayer.  Looking through the fridge and saying "The milk, the eggs... Bread, margarine..." while gathering ingredients for breakfast - also not a prayer.

Atheists.  Do.  Not.  Pray.

(May 16, 2023 at 1:56 am)KerimF Wrote: Surely, there is nothing wrong in what you said.
But as the way one talks to some others is different from one situation to another (talking for fun, looking for decisions, arguing... etc.), talking to oneself is not necessarily of the same spirit (sorry, my English is rather narrow. I wish I know a better word that doesn't hurt an atheist). This is why I added:

... every time he says “Let me be alone” then enters a room for a while after he closes its door behind him.

After all, one is fortunate indeed, if he didn't need to live such situation any time in his life.

The only time I would say "Let me be alone" would be if I were talking to another person, and if they were somehow trying to stop me from leaving.

And the language I would use in that case would probably be a lot less polite than your example, too.  

(I generally wouldn't say "Let me be alone" if I'm the only one there - there's no need to do so.)

Where is the problem? It seems, in this respect, you are one of the rare fortunate persons in the world. Be happy

(May 16, 2023 at 1:11 pm)KerimF Wrote: Sorry friends, you give me the impression that I am the only rational person here!!! But this cannot be true.

Please tell me. How does a human discover that an idea, he heard of, is true and useful or not (to him in the least)?
For example, should someone bother himself searching if Pythagoras was real or not before deciding to believe/accept or not what is known as Pythagoras' theorem?
I hope this is clear.

The writers of the book, called the Gospel, presented a person (or character if you like) who revealed clearly many crucial natural truths related to human's life (including mine).
Here is one example (there are many). He says on the Gospel that 'World Peace' can never exist (by design). Now, it is up to me, based on my logical reasoning, to accept this idea as being true or not whenever I hear a great speech about World Peace. Fortunately, this Jesus also gave me a clear practical clue for it. He opened my eyes that, even in one big family, real permanent peace among its members (who usually share the same language and culture, besides being related in blood) cannot exist unless apparently or, at best, for short periods of time once a while. In fact, the worst enemy who may exist in one's life is likely one of his relatives. So, if this is the case of one real family, one can imagine what it could be among millions of families around the world who have different languages and cultures (besides many other things). So, whenever I hear someone who preaches the World Peace or justifies something (for example, a certain invasion) in the name of World Peace, I would know for sure that the VIP speaker is one of two: a servant of a powerful rich deceiving group, or, at best, a newcomer into real life, still in the learning stage. So, after hearing a great speech of World Peace, I won't see a naive fooled man when I look at a mirror (thanks to the teacher, known as Jesus, real or fictional).

False dichotomy. Two of them.

I recall a teacher at the university who used telling us that we are wrong in whatever we said or did. At the same time, he never told us what is right. It happened he was simply a false teacher (how he got that job, only God knows... Oh sorry... I forgot I am among atheist friends...  for instance, what could be equivalent to the expression "only God knows" in the realm of atheists).

(May 16, 2023 at 6:43 pm)KerimF Wrote: Where is the problem? It seems, in this respect, you are one of the rare fortunate persons in the world. Be happy

The problem is not my relative level of fortune or misfortune, but the way that you're using terminology. You appear to be equivocating between prayer and people talking to themselves, and omitting the critical element that makes something a prayer: A belief that a supernatural being is listening. This is why atheists don't pray - we're not deliberately addressing our words to a supernatural being.

(May 16, 2023 at 10:16 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(May 16, 2023 at 6:43 pm)KerimF Wrote: Where is the problem? It seems, in this respect, you are one of the rare fortunate persons in the world. Be happy

The problem is not my relative level of fortune or misfortune, but the way that you're using terminology.  You appear to be equivocating between prayer and people talking to themselves, and omitting the critical element that makes something a prayer:  A belief that a supernatural being is listening.  This is why atheists don't pray - we're not deliberately addressing our words to a supernatural being.

Now, I see better what you mean. Thank you.

In fact, what you say about how all formal theists (Pagans, Muslims, Jews and the formal Christians) are supposed to pray is very true.
None of them is supposed to take seriously what Jesus says about it, like:
 "... use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
and
"... thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men."

Isn't surprising that an atheist agrees, though without his knowledge, with Jesus in this while almost all Christians in the world disagree with him?!

This reminds me how, when I was a kid, I had to repeat certain prayers in every Sunday's Mass, every week (besides holidays), otherwise I would be seen as being a serious sinner Therefore, I became a big sinner in my community when I discovered that the real prayer is strictly a personal matter which I do it in my own way only and in private whenever necessary (sorry, it happens that I started perceiving in my being, since I was about 14, more than my mortal living body. But it is just me. So, I also understand that someone may perceive he has a living body only. Therefore, he has no choice but being guided by its pre-programmed instincts in his various decisions).