(September 15, 2023 at 9:26 am)Data Wrote:

(September 15, 2023 at 4:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You shouldn't pay so much attention to scholars and atheists. A prophecy of Jesus . . . 

Isaiah 9:6: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Didn't Isaiah also prophesy that Mary would name her child 'Immanuel'? Seems this whole prophecy thing is rather hit or myth.

Boru

Immanuel means god is with us. That prophecy was fulfilled at Matthew 1:22-23.

Isaiah also said his name would be Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

And now I don't want to hear any wisecracks about his name being Jesus Immanuel Wonderful Counselor Mighty God Everlasting Father Prince of Peace Christ either.

But the prophecy wasn’t fulfilled. Mary didn’t name her son Immanuel. She named him Jesus. Matthew is just repeating the prophecy.

Boru

All of Daniel is totally bullshit.
A complete forgery.
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18242

(September 15, 2023 at 9:45 am)Data Wrote: Excellent, Bucky. Not only that but God doesn't see into the future like a fortune teller because the future doesn't exist. We can look into the past because it once existed but we can't look into the future. Fortune telling is either fake or demonic deception. God and demons can better see what could happen in the future than we can so they can deceive us - just like demons can more accurately recount the past and so deceive us into thinking spirits, that is ghosts or shades (shadows) are once living now dead humans.

Fascinating, isn't it?!

Let's see . . . what was I going to say? Oh, I know, case in point. At the trial of Jesus when they covered his head and slapped him they told him to prophecy to them who had done it. That didn't require seeing into the future. Prophecy means to proclaim, for example, something God can see will happen or will make happen. Like, for someone to say "I'm going to get ice cream" and then doing it, or "He's going to get ice cream." How did you know? "He always gets ice cream this time of day." Ezekiel prophesied to the wind. Ezekiel 37:9-10

ETA: But you were wrong about it not being a prophecy of Jesus. Sure, some think that. It was thought that the third son of Isaiah by a Jewish maiden who may have been Isaiah's second wife. Ahaz' son, Hezekiah. But it wasn't because the prophecy was given during Ahaz' reign and that would have made Hezekiah at least 9 years old. (Isaiah 7:1; 2 Kings 16:2; 18:1-2)

Others think Immanuel was Isaiah's second son, Maher-shalal-hash-baz. Yes, I said Maher-shalal-hash-baz. (Isaiah 8:1-4; 7:14, 16; 8:18) That's a close fit, but Isaiah's wife was a prophetess, not a maiden, and she was already the mother of Shear-jashub. (Isaiah 7:3; 8:3)

Now we're going to get into an argument about maiden and virgin.

God and demons can better see what could happen in the future than we can so they can deceive us - just like demons can more accurately recount the past and so deceive us into thinking spirits, that is ghosts or shades (shadows) are once living now dead humans.


Can you tell me how demons came to be?

(September 15, 2023 at 12:51 pm)Data Wrote:

(September 15, 2023 at 10:21 am)LinuxGal Wrote: On the contrary, it is written (Exodus 33:11): And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend...

Hint: See Genesis 18:1-3 Jehovah God is mistaken for one of the three men. Was God a man or an angel in the form of a man who represented God?

Genesis 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

Remember that name Jehovah-jireh, because it will come up again very, very soon.

Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Now either God was lying to Moses, or Moses was lying when he wrote that Abraham called the place where he nearly sacrificed his son Jehovah Mountain.  Either way, with an incoherent narrative like this, one cannot answer questions about divine nature.

(September 15, 2023 at 12:51 pm)Data Wrote:

(September 15, 2023 at 10:21 am)LinuxGal Wrote: On the contrary, it is written (Exodus 33:11): And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend...

1. Can the physical universe, the heavens, contain God? 

In Genesis 4:16, Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, which means that God does not fill the universe.

Quote:2. Does the Bible say no one has seen God?

Yes, and it also says that some people have seen God.

Exodus 24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Quote:3 Does God literally have a physical face?

He literally has an opaque physical hand that he used to cover the eyes of Moses so that he wouldn't see his face, but this left his ass visible.

Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Quote:4. What does the name Michael mean? 

"Who is like God?"

Quote:5. Why did God send the three angels who visited lot? 

Two angels, but who's counting?  They were an away team to get Lot and his family out of the Nuclear Damage Avoidance Zone.

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even...

Quote:6. What does Jesus being the word of God mean?

Beats me.  I don't believe in God.

(September 15, 2023 at 4:01 am)Data Wrote: Isaiah 9:6: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Prince of Peace

(September 15, 2023 at 5:23 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Can you tell me how demons came to be?

[Data is distracted like he's Marlon Brando]

(September 15, 2023 at 5:23 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Can you tell me how demons came to be?

Hmm? Oh, well, I supposed they evolved like everything else.

Michael is the first born only begotten. The first of creation and the only thing created exclusively by Jehovah. Everything thereafter was created by Michael with Jehovah's holy spirit (invisible active force). So, like, when prophets prophesied and healed and grizzly bears appeared or people spoke in tongues or Jesus walked on water they couldn't have done without Jehovah's holy spirit.

The angels were created in God's image. Meaning with his qualities. They existed long before the Earth was created. I suppose men were a physical model of the spiritual. They (angels) had learned wisdom, the ability to decide for themselves what was good and what was bad. Though at that time there was no "bad."

It's all about the seventh day of rest.

So, thousands of years after Adam was created David pointed out the seventh day continued, and that like Israel after the exodus, we (people) still couldn't come into God's day of rest. That day, which the sabbath was modeled after, continued hundreds of years later when Paul said it remained still for us to enter. It remains to this day. So the seventh day is the time we need to, like the angels, come into God's rest. The number of man is 666. Incompletion X 3. We are complete when sin is removed and we are more then equipped to enter God's holy day, the seventh day of rest. We, unlike the angels, had an unfortunate but temporary distraction. We thought we could be like Jehovah and the angels before we had matured to best do that.

(September 15, 2023 at 6:00 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:

(September 15, 2023 at 12:51 pm)Data Wrote: 1. Can the physical universe, the heavens, contain God? 

In Genesis 4:16, Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, which means that God does not fill the universe.

Quote:2. Does the Bible say no one has seen God?

Yes, and it also says that some people have seen God.

Exodus 24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Quote:3 Does God literally have a physical face?

He literally has an opaque physical hand that he used to cover the eyes of Moses so that he wouldn't see his face, but this left his ass visible.

Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Quote:4. What does the name Michael mean? 

"Who is like God?"

Quote:5. Why did God send the three angels who visited lot? 

Two angels, but who's counting?  They were an away team to get Lot and his family out of the Nuclear Damage Avoidance Zone.

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even...

Quote:6. What does Jesus being the word of God mean?

Beats me.  I don't believe in God.

Oooohhhh I wanna see god's butt, "back parts".

(September 15, 2023 at 8:28 pm)Data Wrote:

(September 15, 2023 at 5:23 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Can you tell me how demons came to be?

[Data is distracted like he's Marlon Brando]

(September 15, 2023 at 5:23 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Can you tell me how demons came to be?

Hmm? Oh, well, I supposed they evolved like everything else.

Michael is the first born only begotten. The first of creation and the only thing created exclusively by Jehovah. Everything thereafter was created by Michael with Jehovah's holy spirit (invisible active force). So, like, when prophets prophesied and healed and grizzly bears appeared or people spoke in tongues or Jesus walked on water they couldn't have done without Jehovah's holy spirit.

The angels were created in God's image. Meaning with his qualities. They existed long before the Earth was created. I suppose men were a physical model of the spiritual. They (angels) had learned wisdom, the ability to decide for themselves what was good and what was bad. Though at that time there was no "bad."

It's all about the seventh day of rest.

So, thousands of years after Adam was created David pointed out the seventh day continued, and that like Israel after the exodus, we (people) still couldn't come into God's day of rest. That day, which the sabbath was modeled after, continued hundreds of years later when Paul said it remained still for us to enter. It remains to this day. So the seventh day is the time we need to, like the angels, come into God's rest. The number of man is 666. Incompletion X 3. We are complete when sin is removed and we are more then equipped to enter God's holy day, the seventh day of rest. We, unlike the angels, had an unfortunate but temporary distraction. We thought we could be like Jehovah and the angels before we had matured to best do that.

Hmmm?

Data’s a coward and has to tap dance around the truth that his/her god created demons and satan/lucifer/devil exactly as they are.

Why dose your god have to create hateful monsters to fuck up humans Data?


WTF is the othe crap you typed out?

(September 16, 2023 at 6:20 am)Data Wrote: The angels were created in God's image. Meaning with his qualities. They existed long before the Earth was created. I suppose men were a physical model of the spiritual. They (angels) had learned wisdom, the ability to decide for themselves what was good and what was bad. Though at that time there was no "bad."

It's all about the seventh day of rest.

So, thousands of years after Adam was created David pointed out the seventh day continued, and that like Israel after the exodus, we (people) still couldn't come into God's day of rest. That day, which the sabbath was modeled after, continued hundreds of years later when Paul said it remained still for us to enter. It remains to this day. So the seventh day is the time we need to, like the angels, come into God's rest. The number of man is 666. Incompletion X 3. We are complete when sin is removed and we are more then equipped to enter God's holy day, the seventh day of rest. We, unlike the angels, had an unfortunate but temporary distraction. We thought we could be like Jehovah and the angels before we had matured to best do that.

LMFAO
That's great. What random word generator do you use ?
Unfortunately for you, you are totally incapable of supporting the bullshit you post.
No one her buys your Buy-Bull.
You are yet another nut-job dismissed.
You can cite no scholar that buys your hogwash.