I'd just slap him senselessly...

(December 14, 2011 at 12:31 am)Galileo Wrote:

Quote:Well don't force your "beliefs" on him and don't let him enforce his, go to church once in a while if it pleases him(you have to learn to concede somewhere), since you already stated that he does it rarely.

I just can't do that. firstly, it's all in sSwiss German which I don't understand, and secondly because it just feel so deeply wrong to me. I'll go to church for things like funerals, weddings [that aren't mine] etc, because I know it's not about me and my beliefs, it's about others, and theirs. so that seems ok to me....but I shouldn't have to go to church to make my husband happy. he should just be happy with me the way I am. he asked me to marry him, and this is what he's got.

So you want it both ways. You didn't want to inform him of your staunch anti-god views BEFORE you were married, but AFTER he proposed and "got what he got" you're not going to compromise in the least. Although you certainly should never have to submit to his religion - your whole platform is flawed and unfair.

(December 14, 2011 at 3:26 am)tackattack Wrote: I appreciate and applaud the fact you consider divorce a last resort. My wife and I infuriate the begesus out of each other and we believe the same thing. In a mairrage , I think it happens. Whether it's over idiosyncrasies, beliefs over kids, parenting, in-laws or deeper personal beliefs, your willingness to work on it together is admirable.

I suggest you definately talk out your beliefs so each of you understands where each is coming from and what you guys plan to do in the future (including kids, funerals, etc.). [EDITED]

This is a fair point. Marriages can be infuriating regardless of adding conflicting personal religious beliefs.

However, there may be the possibility of converting your husband Galileo. Converting someone like Tacky would be nearly impossible -- He knows much about his faith and has a myriad of alternative explanations about the corrupt nature of the bible. However, devout Catholics are notoriously naive and often have never even read their Bible, save a couple of verses. In fact, their particular version of Christianity is often so dark and menacing that some easily welcome the chance at freedom and enlightenment with little argument.

If I were you, I'd get my shit together and convert him. When the evidence is presented properly to a christian who has no understanding of what he or she believes the result can be life-changing.

just a thought.

Be open-minded and supportive about her beliefs. Just make sure there's an equal balance where neither her Christianity or your Atheism is more important

(December 14, 2011 at 10:34 am)Cinjin Wrote: This is a fair point. Marriages can be infuriating regardless of adding conflicting personal religious beliefs.

However, there may be the possibility of converting your husband Galileo. Converting someone like Tacky would be nearly impossible -- He knows much about his faith and has a myriad of alternative explanations about the corrupt nature of the bible. However, devout Catholics are notoriously naive and often have never even read their Bible, save a couple of verses. In fact, their particular version of Christianity is often so dark and menacing that some easily welcome the chance at freedom and enlightenment with little argument.

If I were you, I'd get my shit together and convert him. When the evidence is presented properly to a christian who has no understanding of what he or she believes the result can be life-changing.

just a thought.

And how would you feel if the roles were reversed and he was trying to convert her? Helping someone who doesn't have strong belief or who's belief is already faltering to solidify what they believe is fine. Some cases though (as pointed out elsewhere) could have him coming back more devout. That's why I suggest forgetting the mentality of converting and shoot for an open and clear understanding.

On a side note, I'm just as open to conversion/deconversion as any other rational person. I find it telling that you encourage the converting of the weak-minded and ill informed rather than the well informed

No you're not, tack. Your absurd arguments in relation to the power of prayer and suffering, among other things, where you perform backflips just to be able to keep your idea of a loving God who intervenes in human affairs alive, is perfectly sufficient evidence of that.

awe tacky ... I do enjoy many of your replies ...

(December 15, 2011 at 4:12 am)tackattack Wrote: And how would you feel if the roles were reversed and he was trying to convert her?

In my case, I have had several people try to convert me back to christianity. Often it leads to their own angry explosion as I undermine their core beliefs in a book they have never read and cover doctrines and history that they have never studied. So to answer your question - I have no problem with someone attempting to convert me now. These days it just makes me laugh.

Quote: Helping someone who doesn't have strong belief or who's belief is already faltering to solidify what they believe is fine. Some cases though (as pointed out elsewhere) could have him coming back more devout. That's why I suggest forgetting the mentality of converting and shoot for an open and clear understanding.

On a side note, I'm just as open to conversion/deconversion as any other rational person. I find it telling that you encourage the converting of the weak-minded and ill informed rather than the well informed

I never said her husband was weak-minded. He's just naive because he's been lied to his whole life. Shining a light for him is much easier than shining a light for you Tacky. You've been schooled in the art of apologetics. You also have redefined many dogmas for your own personal rationalization of a book that makes no sense. (ie. the duration of Hell, old testament punishments, etc. etc.) As much as I like you, you have destroyed all chances for your own enlightenment by preparing hundreds of excuses for the "word of god." Her husband is only ill-informed and does not share this handicap. My point was merely that she has a much better chance with him than she would with a christian such as yourself. And by the way, MOST christians do not enjoy your classification. Most do indeed fall into the ill-informed and/or weak-minded sort ... which really means that my statement isn't really that telling at all.

Cheers

(December 15, 2011 at 4:12 am)tackattack Wrote:

(December 14, 2011 at 10:34 am)Cinjin Wrote: This is a fair point. Marriages can be infuriating regardless of adding conflicting personal religious beliefs.

However, there may be the possibility of converting your husband Galileo. Converting someone like Tacky would be nearly impossible -- He knows much about his faith and has a myriad of alternative explanations about the corrupt nature of the bible. However, devout Catholics are notoriously naive and often have never even read their Bible, save a couple of verses. In fact, their particular version of Christianity is often so dark and menacing that some easily welcome the chance at freedom and enlightenment with little argument.

If I were you, I'd get my shit together and convert him. When the evidence is presented properly to a christian who has no understanding of what he or she believes the result can be life-changing.

just a thought.

And how would you feel if the roles were reversed and he was trying to convert her? Helping someone who doesn't have strong belief or who's belief is already faltering to solidify what they believe is fine. Some cases though (as pointed out elsewhere) could have him coming back more devout. That's why I suggest forgetting the mentality of converting and shoot for an open and clear understanding.

On a side note, I'm just as open to conversion/deconversion as any other rational person. I find it telling that you encourage the converting of the weak-minded and ill informed rather than the well informed

If you are a rational person you would have deconverted, simple as that.

If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people to reason with.

(December 15, 2011 at 5:23 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: If you are a rational person you would have deconverted, simple as that.

If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people to reason with.

Unfortunately, some religious people aren't capable of thinking clearly with reason, even be logical person.

And I'd love for any of the 3 of you to point out any arguement I've presented that was illogical, irrational or that I clung to irrational without admitting I was wrong on the entirety of this site.

@Cin- I haven't been schooled in any debate or apologetic arts, either formally or informally, I just read my Bible, lexicon and concordance regularly. Follow that with questioning, reason and research and here I am. I have zero excuses, rebuttals, arguments preplanned and resent the implication and the implications that I were intellectually dishonest enough to hold my ground against sound reasoning. As far as your point I get it the, ill-informed are easy to deconvert and I agree.

(December 19, 2011 at 4:20 am)tackattack Wrote: And I'd love for any of the 3 of you to point out any arguement I've presented that was illogical, irrational or that I clung to irrational without admitting I was wrong on the entirety of this site.

I'm not one of the last three posters, am I still allowed a go? Because that's really easy.

You believe in the power of prayer because you got a small bonus at work that lifted you out of a minor financial hiccup that was your own fault for getting into in the first place. Despite the fact that you explicitly told us that your boss requested the bonus for you long before you got into that financial difficulty (certainly long before you prayed for assistance), and despite the fact that millions of prayers go unanswered every single day across the world, you actually used this anecdote in direct response to the challenge to provide 'EVIDENCE THAT GOD EXISTS', even though you should well know that one person's anecdotal evidence is flimsy and unverifiable.

What do I win?