These bozos have the most primitive, undeveloped, rudimentary "understanding" of evilution.

Because again, the science that concurs with their life is actual, the science that contradicts anything in their life, is bogus and deceitful.

(January 6, 2024 at 8:48 am)JJoseph Wrote: It's not, because the Highest Possible Happiness, Eternal Joy forever and ever depends upon it.

Wow, nice fantasy wish, hope this makes you happy.

It would be great if this were anything more than faith (belief without evidence).

Well, yes, it does make us happy, even in this life, and eternally in the next. Thus, as Paschal said, even if we are wrong, and you Atheists right, we Christians lose nothing. We had happily married lives, which often made us far happier than those living in the prostitution that is fornication. We had children, and we loved them, while many Atheists, not believing any longer in God or in sin, aborted and killed their children, and thus had no one to take care of them in their old age. Even in this life, we lost nothing. But then Eternity begins, with Eternal Pleasure, or Eternal Pain, Eternal Happiness, or Eternal Misery etc.

Ok, do tell us, then, what exactly is Evolution and what does it claim: Evolutionists always claim we don't really understand their Theory, because when we state it for what it frankly is, it seems frankly absurd and ridiculous. That's because Macro-Evolution is indeed frankly absurd and ridiculous. Not Micro-Evolution, which every Creation Scientist and ID Theorist including Dr. Craig acknowledges to have taken place. And others like Dr. Denton etc, who are highly critical of Evolution. As his book "Evolution: Still a Theory in Crisis" shows.

So, define Evolution for us in one or two sentences, especially as it pertains to Apes and Men.

Finally, the Kalam stands unrefuted. We need some clear counter-examples that something really come from nothing because of nothing before we can dump Premise 1 of the Kalam. The Universe's finite age shows it had a beginning. Those 2 premises alone, by themselves, are sufficient to reach the conclusion that the Universe is a Creature, i.e. that it had a Creator. And the rest logically follows, this Creator is Eternal, because it precedes time, is Omnipresent, because it precedes the creation of spatial locations etc, and it is indeed known that all of space-time had a Big Bang Beginning. As someone pointed out, Fr. Georges Lemaitre was indeed the first proponent of the Big Bang Theory - but today that Christian Theory has widespread acceptance in the Scientific Community. Tough for Atheists, maybe, but this is Science in Action enlightening humankind back on the ancient Way toward God.

Grace be with you all.

godiboi is make believe.

(January 6, 2024 at 9:13 am)JJoseph Wrote: Thus, as Paschal said, even if we are wrong, and you Atheists right, we Christians lose nothing.

Pascal is also nonsense. If you are wrong, then Allah, Odin and w few others will let you know. If there are NO gods, you wasted your only life on nonsense.
Since you already managed to misrepresent Atheism, evolution, the BBT, Kalam, are there other cognitive deficiencies of yours you wanna inform us of?

No, Paschal was not wrong. Being a Scientist, and a Christian, he saw farther than many of you perhaps have. Here, we are speaking of Christianity-Atheism only, or Christianity vis a vis Atheism. When you are unsure between Two Alternatives, it is wise to start with 50:50. As for Christianity vis a vis Islam, for e.g. assuming we start with 50:50, each new data point makes us more sure which is the Truth. For e.g. Christianity affirms the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ under Pontius Pilate, but Islamism absurdly denies this. Next, when Secular Historians are consulted, they inform or tell us that the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ under Pontius Pilate is a most certain historical fact, one of the things, they say, we are nearly 100% certain happened in the historical life of Jesus of Nazareth. That being the case, Christianity versus Islamism immediately rises at least to something like Christianity being 95% the better choice compared to just 5% Islam. Then, other factors come into play, Christ's loving treatment of children, of women, of others etc, compared and contrasted to that of Mohammed's etc.

Why is Hinduism 2,000ish years older than your beliefs? Why do they not mention jebus? If that very first commandment dictates no other godibois, why are there so many other godibois? Why did your godiboi remain silent for so long?

And you still avoid the question, coward!

(January 6, 2024 at 9:13 am)JJoseph Wrote: Well, yes, it does make us happy, even in this life, and eternally in the next. Thus, as Paschal said, even if we are wrong, and you Atheists right, we Christians lose nothing. We had happily married lives, which often made us far happier than those living in the prostitution that is fornication. We had children, and we loved them, while many Atheists, not believing any longer in God or in sin, aborted and killed their children, and thus had no one to take care of them in their old age. Even in this life, we lost nothing. But then Eternity begins, with Eternal Pleasure, or Eternal Pain, Eternal Happiness, or Eternal Misery etc.

Ok, do tell us, then, what exactly is Evolution and what does it claim: Evolutionists always claim we don't really understand their Theory, because when we state it for what it frankly is, it seems frankly absurd and ridiculous. That's because Macro-Evolution is indeed frankly absurd and ridiculous. Not Micro-Evolution, which every Creation Scientist and ID Theorist including Dr. Craig acknowledges to have taken place. And others like Dr. Denton etc, who are highly critical of Evolution. As his book "Evolution: Still a Theory in Crisis" shows.

So, define Evolution for us in one or two sentences, especially as it pertains to Apes and Men.

Finally, the Kalam stands unrefuted. We need some clear counter-examples that something really come from nothing because of nothing before we can dump Premise 1 of the Kalam. The Universe's finite age shows it had a beginning. Those 2 premises alone, by themselves, are sufficient to reach the conclusion that the Universe is a Creature, i.e. that it had a Creator. And the rest logically follows, this Creator is Eternal, because it precedes time, is Omnipresent, because it precedes the creation of spatial locations etc, and it is indeed known that all of space-time had a Big Bang Beginning. As someone pointed out, Fr. Georges Lemaitre was indeed the first proponent of the Big Bang Theory - but today that Christian Theory has widespread acceptance in the Scientific Community. Tough for Atheists, maybe, but this is Science in Action enlightening humankind back on the ancient Way toward God.

Grace be with you all.

I'm glad you're happy in this life, you (or anyone) have no evidence for 'the next'.

As to evolution, these guys explain it better: https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolution-101/ If you're not up to college level try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUfM8gVLZb4  I think maybe you're actual issue might be with abiogenesis.

Kalam is an argument, set up in a way (initial premises) that appears to result in a creator (prime mover) as the only answer, it's no worth refuting. Again, no one can argue a god into existence. If you want to get my attention provide some concrete evidence for god(s), not abstraction, conceptions, story's, testimony, ............... those are not evidence.

BTW, BBT being put forward by a christian does not make it a religious theory. Not everything the religious contemplate is religious.

Thanks for wishing us fluidity of movement.

Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee
Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff
And brought him strings, and sealing wax, and other fancy stuff
Oh, Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist, in a land called Honah Lee
Puff, the magic dragon, lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist, in a land called Honah Lee
Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail
Jackie kept a lookout perched on Puff's gigantic tail
Noble kings and princes would bow whenever they came
Pirate ships would lower their flags when Puff roared out his name
Oh, Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist, in a land called Honah Lee
Puff, the magic dragon, lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist, in a land called Honah Lee
A dragon lives forever, but not so little boys
Painted wings and giant's rings make way for other toys
One gray night it happened, Jackie Paper came no more
And Puff, that mighty dragon, he ceased his fearless roar
His head was bent in sorrow, green scales fell like rain
Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane
Without his lifelong friend, Puff could not be brave
So Puff, that mighty dragon, sadly slipped into his cave
Oh, Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist, in a land called Honah Lee
Puff, the magic dragon, lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist, in a land called Honah Lee


Dragons exist. As stated by Peter, Paul, and Mary.