(June 15, 2024 at 7:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 12, 2024 at 10:57 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote: Most people do this already, this is why Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.

The Jews would like a word…

Boru

Persecution of Jews (almost always by Christians): Pogroms, deportations, murder, genocide.

Persecution of Christians:

"Please don't push your beliefs on me."

"Why are you persecuting me? You hate my god! How dare you try to limit my freedom of religion!!!"

Professional victims, all.

(June 15, 2024 at 7:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 12, 2024 at 10:57 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote: Most people do this already, this is why Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.

The Jews would like a word…

Boru

Thank you for the idea. 

Active incidents of anti-semitism (assault, harrassment, vandalism) rose worldwide drastically in 2023. (8,783 incidents). I don't quite see that happening in Christianity to the same extent, although they also have had their troubles during the same period. (430 incidents)

Back to prophecy (yes, I know, it is where I seem to end up), it is written that the Jews will be the main target, and only after them, those believers in Yeshua who walk after him, and adhere to Torah. (Rev 12:17, supported by Rev 14:12 and Rev 22:14.) 

I'd really rather not have pride of place, though, so if someone will step up and stand in front of me, by all means do so!

(June 15, 2024 at 5:51 pm)Questor Wrote:

(June 15, 2024 at 7:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Jews would like a word…

Boru

Thank you for the idea. 

Active incidents of anti-semitism (assault, harrassment, vandalism) rose worldwide drastically in 2023. (8,783 incidents). I don't quite see that happening in Christianity to the same extent, although they also have had their troubles during the same period. (430 incidents)

Back to prophecy (yes, I know, it is where I seem to end up), it is written that the Jews will be the main target, and only after them, those believers in Yeshua who walk after him, and adhere to Torah. (Rev 12:17, supported by Rev 14:12 and Rev 22:14.) 

I'd really rather not have pride of place, though, so if someone will step up and stand in front of me, by all means do so!

1) you're not a jew, christian. 2) These days the number of anti semitic incidentsis massively inflated by groups like the ADL conflating legitimate criticisms of Israel with anti semitic hate speech.  In fact they go so far as to unperson other jews who fail to toe the party line and uncritically support every atrocity Israel commits.

PS well done on "hiding" your christianity by linking to a far right christian agitation group whose goal is to impose a theocracy on the US.

(June 16, 2024 at 4:26 am)GUBU Wrote:

(June 15, 2024 at 5:51 pm)Questor Wrote: Thank you for the idea. 

Active incidents of anti-semitism (assault, harrassment, vandalism) rose worldwide drastically in 2023. (8,783 incidents). I don't quite see that happening in Christianity to the same extent, although they also have had their troubles during the same period. (430 incidents)

Back to prophecy (yes, I know, it is where I seem to end up), it is written that the Jews will be the main target, and only after them, those believers in Yeshua who walk after him, and adhere to Torah. (Rev 12:17, supported by Rev 14:12 and Rev 22:14.) 

I'd really rather not have pride of place, though, so if someone will step up and stand in front of me, by all means do so!

1) you're not a jew, christian. 2) These days the number of anti semitic incidentsis massively inflated by groups like the ADL conflating legitimate criticisms of Israel with anti semitic hate speech.  In fact they go so far as to unperson other jews who fail to toe the party line and uncritically support every atrocity Israel commits.

PS well done on "hiding" your christianity by linking to a far right christian agitation group whose goal is to impose a theocracy on the US.

1) My family tree says otherwise, but like many a Jew, you seem to want to kick me out of the family as they do for diasagreeing with them. And calling me a Christian is merely inaccurate, not offensive. Belief in Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel does not a Christian make. 

2) Both ADL and Liberty.org popped up instantly on a query to Google for information on anti-semitic or anti-christian incidents, as do many news articles and NGO's research, and state the details that I have given. I used them as informational resources as they were the first that showed up when queried that day. Pick other ones, and you get similar information.

Does Liberty.org wish to impose a theocracy on the U.S.? I have no contacts there to fill me on the details as you apparently have.

You know, you could just tell me you don't want to have a dissident voice here, making you feel uncomfortable. 

As it is, you sound like a well-indoctrinated pentacostalist hiding under the lable athiest that will not tolerate opposing viewpoints.

Messianic judaism is an evengelical christian movement organized by a conservative baptist minister in the 70's. What's the point of denying mere reality in this regard?

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Quote: Belief in Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel does not a Christian make. 

It absolutely, completely, and unequivocally does exactly that. This is precisely why Messianic Jews are not recognized as Jews by anyone except Messianic Jews.

Boru

(June 16, 2024 at 12:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ^

Quote: Belief in Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel does not a Christian make. 

It absolutely, completely, and unequivocally does exactly that. This is precisely why Messianic Jews are not recognized as Jews by anyone except Messianic Jews.

Boru

Jews of every stripe disagree about virtually everything, including who to recognize as Jews. 

As to belief in Yeshua as Mashiach making one a Christian, I think it rather depends on what you think a Christian is.

That's nice, and regardless of whether or not jewish people disagree about stuff..it is still the case that messianic judaism is an evangelical christian movement organized by a conservative baptist minister in the 70's. Were you born into this as a second generation adherent?

(June 16, 2024 at 1:30 pm)Questor Wrote:

(June 16, 2024 at 12:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ^

It absolutely, completely, and unequivocally does exactly that. This is precisely why Messianic Jews are not recognized as Jews by anyone except Messianic Jews.

Boru

Jews of every stripe disagree about virtually everything, including who to recognize as Jews. 

As to belief in Yeshua as Mashiach making one a Christian, I think it rather depends on what you think a Christian is.

It’s not what I *think* a Christian is, it’s what a Christian *actually* is. Belief in Jesus as the Messiah is - both foundationally and definitionally - what makes a Christian.

And now, please answer Nudger’s questions.

Boru

It would be interesting, we don't get alot of you guys here...and I don't think I've ever met a second gen one. I wonder whether your experience as a messianic jew is analogous to second and third gen wiccans.