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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 14, 2025 at 10:37 pm
There's at least one type of beliefs that can be strongly and reliably traced back to childhood. Guess which kind?
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 12:09 am
(May 14, 2025 at 10:11 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 14, 2025 at 8:44 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: The notion that propaganda isn't real is indistinguishable from suggesting that a person's mind can't be permanently influenced by the communicated word. That's particularly hilarious when written by somebody claiming to be a psychologist.
Permanently influenced? Do you think you've ever been permanently influenced by a piece of text before?
Yes.
Quote:Obviously not
Clearly I am the same blank slate that I was born, all change the result of internal processes.
Quote:somebody may have made a good argument that made you reconsider something
The words that I used were "permanently influenced", but that's just semantics.
Quote:but it's not as if the mere exposure to the words had the power to change your mind against your wishes.
Then what good are they? These words that you wrote that are apparently useless? Why do you write them at all? Sheer reflexive instinct?
Quote:These are cartoonish descriptions of language and persuasion.
Well, you'll be happy to know that you've persuaded me that you wouldn't know the workings of a human mind if it jumped up and bit you on the arse. Thank you greatly for the belly laugh.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 12:31 am
(May 14, 2025 at 10:02 pm)Alan V Wrote: (May 14, 2025 at 7:49 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Of course, he doesn't like nuance, so goes for misrepresentation instead.
I no longer believe John might be a good-faith actor. I think he is here to muddy the waters for his own agenda. He really just admitted as much IMO.
I know he isn't. He's not blocked yet, but he's certainly trolling and merits little attention other than the occasional head-shot.
If you have to lie and misrepresent in order to present your views, are those views even worthy of presenting? Our esteemed Psychologist Extraordinaire apparently hasn't considered that. Maybe he thinks Jesus likes a little bit of lying, on the side?
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 12:35 am
(May 14, 2025 at 10:36 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I've been permanently influenced by a great many pieces of text. This should not be an unfamiliar experience to a christian.
This changed me forever:
Donne Wrote:No man is an island,
Entire of itself;
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less,
As well as if a promontory were:
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were.
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
Funny that a professed Christian should deny the power of these words.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 12:48 am
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 5:29 am
I admit to not having followed this thread as closely as I probably should have. That being said, I'd like to ask John a serious question:
In your opinion, what causes people to believe in Jesus?
I ask this because I don't recall you having answered the question posed in this thread. You've used up a lot of space objecting to other peoples' answers, so I was wondering if you had one of your own.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 6:11 am
(May 15, 2025 at 12:31 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: If you have to lie and misrepresent in order to present your views, are those views even worthy of presenting? Our esteemed Psychologist Extraordinaire apparently hasn't considered that.
I don't buy the idea that he is a trained psychologist either. For one thing, he would know how to converse with others much better than he does.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 6:18 am
(May 15, 2025 at 6:11 am)Alan V Wrote: (May 15, 2025 at 12:31 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: If you have to lie and misrepresent in order to present your views, are those views even worthy of presenting? Our esteemed Psychologist Extraordinaire apparently hasn't considered that.
I don't buy the idea that he is a trained psychologist either. For one thing, he would know how to converse with others much better than he does.
(Bold mine)
More like a trained seal.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 8:15 am
(May 15, 2025 at 12:09 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Then what good are they? These words that you wrote that are apparently useless? Why do you write them at all? Sheer reflexive instinct?
What are words good for? Social coordination. Does that include persuasion? Yes, but not the cartoonish version of it that you think exists.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 8:35 am
Now Johnny wants to talk nonesense about words
"Change was inevitable"
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