(June 6, 2025 at 5:49 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:46 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: You claimed that I believed the universe was deterministic.

You were mistaken.

byw, I did prove that the universe is self-deterministic.

You don't believe a claim you made? 


This is getting funnier and funnier.

take a deep breath

(June 6, 2025 at 5:48 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:39 pm)Sheldon Wrote: I know what the fallacy means thank you, and when it applies, and your ludicrous hyperbolic and grandiloquent claim about your own intelligence, is there for all to see, and nary an expert was cited. 

I am the expert speaking to you.

Christopher Langan, John Haglin, Baroch Spinoza, and Richard Emerson are experts that agree with me.

Spinoza agrees with you?  Isn't he a bit dead to be agreeing with anyone at this late date?

You need to take your meds.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:50 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:49 pm)Sheldon Wrote: You don't believe a claim you made? 


This is getting funnier and funnier.

take a deep breath

Offer something beyond bare claims.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:38 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

I'd be interested in hearing the specifics of what you feel Ron Wyatt and Kent Hovind have contributed in terms of proofs of the divine (assuming the above user is you).

Ron Wyatt discovered the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah. and Kent Hovind claimed Dinosaurs lived at the same time as man.

I proved Sodom and Gomorrah are evidence of God's very real interactions with man.

And I pointed out that the blood cells and blood vessels in Dinosaur bones is evidence that they are not millions of years old.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:48 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: I am the expert speaking to you.

Christopher Langan, John Haglin, Baroch Spinoza, and Richard Emerson are experts that agree with me.

Spinoza agrees with you?  Isn't he a bit dead to be agreeing with anyone at this late date?

You need to take your meds.

sorry, I am in agreement with him; monism pantheism is proven!

(June 6, 2025 at 4:29 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 12:22 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: If this is regarding your proof from observation, it seems to be a string of assertions followed by a loosely-connected conclusion. You should get rid of any premises not needed to reach the conclusion.

For instance 'monism exists' doesn't seem to add anything to the argument. If you were trying to assert that monism is the case and dualism is not, that ought to be the conclusion of a different argument. And I say that as a monist.

(10) F; "energy exists"
(11) F; "every experiment ever constructed shows that everything is made of energy"
(12) (10,11) C; "monism exists"


12 is a natural deduction from 10 and 11

The reason I prove monism... is to demonstrate there is but one supreme God.

(1) Listing random words
(2) Isn't
(3) Proof!

(June 6, 2025 at 5:54 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:38 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

I'd be interested in hearing the specifics of what you feel Ron Wyatt and Kent Hovind have contributed in terms of proofs of the divine (assuming the above user is you).

Kent Hovind claimed Dinosaurs lived at the same time as man.

He's laughably wrong...

(June 6, 2025 at 5:54 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:38 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

I'd be interested in hearing the specifics of what you feel Ron Wyatt and Kent Hovind have contributed in terms of proofs of the divine (assuming the above user is you).

I pointed out that the blood cells and blood vessels in Dinosaur bones is evidence that they are not millions of years old.

Hmm, who to believe, science, or some Billy no name on the internet, peddling unevidenced archaic superstition.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:49 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:46 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: You claimed that I believed the universe was deterministic.

You were mistaken.

byw, I did prove that the universe is self-deterministic.

You don't believe a claim you made? 

Or you're offering semantic sophistry.

I think I know the answer by now, but can you demonstrate any objective evidence that the "universe is self deterministic", or that any deity exists, or is even possible?

(10) Fact; "energy exists"
(11) Fact; "every experiment ever constructed shows that everything is made of energy"
(12) (10,11) C; "monism exists"
(13) Fact; "every cause involves energy"
(14) (11,12,13) C; "energy is self-causal"
(15) Synonyms; "self-causal", "self-deterministic", and "teleological"
(16) (14,15,16) C; "energy is self-deterministic"


energy monism means the universe has the properties of energy i.e. the universe is self-deterministic

(June 6, 2025 at 5:55 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 4:29 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: (10) F; "energy exists"
(11) F; "every experiment ever constructed shows that everything is made of energy"
(12) (10,11) C; "monism exists"


12 is a natural deduction from 10 and 11

The reason I prove monism... is to demonstrate there is but one supreme God.

(1) Listing random words
(2) Isn't
(3) Proof!

what are the random words?