(June 6, 2025 at 6:02 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:58 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: (10) Fact; "energy exists"
(11) Fact; "every experiment ever constructed shows that everything is made of energy"
(12) (10,11) C; "monism exists"
(13) Fact; "every cause involves energy"
(14) (11,12,13) C; "energy is self-causal"
(15) Synonyms; "self-causal", "self-deterministic", and "teleological"
(16) (14,15,16) C; "energy is self-deterministic"


energy monism means the universe has the properties of energy

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Check yourself.  The repeated posting of the same things, which just so happen to be part of your linked material, is spamming the forum. This is also partial copy/paste of material you have written for use elsewhere.

I rewrote the argument at 16

I don't think this will be covered again

(June 6, 2025 at 6:10 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 6:01 pm)SubtleVirtue I pointed out that the blood cells and blood vessels in Dinosaur bones is evidence that they are not millions of years old. Wrote: search "blood in T-Rex bones"

No thanks, it's your BS claim, get it published in a worthy peer reviewed scientific journal, then come back, and offer a citation for a young earth.

search "science journal T. Rex blood cells"

(June 6, 2025 at 6:07 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 6:01 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (1) The observable universe is 13.8 billion years old. There's no data from "before" that, so you can't even demonstrate eternity, much less that energy is eternal.

(2) No, it isn't. Please learn what these words mean before you fling them around. ZPE is a quantum statistical phenomenon that does no work.

(3) No, power is energy over time. It's far from infinite. In fact, if energy were eternal then power would necessarily be zero.

(4) That's a contradiction.

By reduction to absrdity, I just farted something Divine.

(1) can energy be created? please prove that!

You're the only one claiming anything was "created".

(June 6, 2025 at 6:03 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 5:58 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: (10) Fact; "energy exists"
(11) Fact; "every experiment ever constructed shows that everything is made of energy"
(12) (10,11) C; "monism exists"
(13) Fact; "every cause involves energy"
(14) (11,12,13) C; "energy is self-causal"
(15) Synonyms; "self-causal", "self-deterministic", and "teleological"
(16) (14,15,16) C; "energy is self-deterministic"


energy monism means the universe has the properties of energy

Repeating the claim, does not objectively evidence your conclusion, so please offer something approaching objective evidence for any deity, or that any deity is even possible. 

If you can?

you moved the goal post off of proving that the universe is self-deterministic

did you concede to the proof of that?

would you like me to PM you the proofs?

(June 6, 2025 at 6:15 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 6:10 pm)Sheldon Wrote: No thanks, it's your BS claim, get it published in a worthy peer reviewed scientific journal, then come back, and offer a citation for a young earth.

search "science journal T. Rex blood cells"

No thanks, it's STILL your BS claim, get it published in a worthy peer reviewed scientific journal, then come back, and offer a citation for a young earth.

(June 6, 2025 at 6:17 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 6:07 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: (1) can energy be created? please prove that!

You're the only one claiming anything was "created".

Was your computer created?

(June 6, 2025 at 6:17 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 6:15 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: search "science journal T. Rex blood cells"

No thanks, it's STILL your BS claim, get it published in a worthy peer reviewed scientific journal, then come back, and offer a citation for a young earth.

did I claim a young earth?

byw, I am not allowed to post links... would you like me to PM you a science journal link?

(June 6, 2025 at 6:18 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 6:17 pm)Sheldon Wrote: You're the only one claiming anything was "created".

Was your computer created?

Yes, I never said nothing was created, I said you were the only one making claims about what was created. 

No one is denying that humans design and create things, as there is sufficient objective evidence to demonstrate that they do. Now what have you got that any deity exists, or is even possible?

(June 6, 2025 at 6:24 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 6:18 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: Was your computer created?

Yes, I never said nothing was created, I said you were the only one making claims about what was created. 

No one is denying that humans design and create things, as there is sufficient objective evidence to demonstrate that they do. Now what have you got that any deity exists, or is even possible?

I PM the proofs link to you.

Feel free to challenge any of them.

(June 6, 2025 at 6:20 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 6:17 pm)Sheldon Wrote: No thanks, it's STILL your BS claim, get it published in a worthy peer reviewed scientific journal, then come back, and offer a citation for a young earth.

did I claim a young earth?

It was implied, yes. 

Quote:SubtleVirtue

I pointed out that the blood cells and blood vessels in Dinosaur bones is evidence that they are not millions of years old.

Quote:would you like me to PM you a science journal link?

Nope, I can just look at any global news network to see the claim is BS, and creationists have been peddling this nonsense as long as I can remember.