(August 18, 2026 at 4:39 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 1:45 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Do you think it is justified to end the existence of other tribes when being in an existential war with them? Do you think it is justified for modern Israel to end Palestinians, or any other tribe of the near east? Do you think it would have been justified to kill all Germans after 1945, because they tried to kill all Jews? Is it justified for your tribe to start the existential war?

Alternatively it could look like Somalia. So it depends how you look at it. In a war someone will win or lose... or go on forever with no end 
edit: But no wars would be ideal of course. But ey humans will find some reason to start one. Opportunism or other reasons

Are you trying to say "yes" by avoiding to say "yes", because you know exactly what that entails?  You justified OT wars of extinction (= genocide) by being "existential". I asked if its justified to commit genocide in an existential war. Is it justified to commit genocide, ever?

Its a yes/no question. After your "yes" or "no" we can proceed and discuss details, but first we need a clear answer.

(August 19, 2026 at 1:31 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 4:39 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: Alternatively it could look like Somalia. So it depends how you look at it. In a war someone will win or lose... or go on forever with no end 
edit: But no wars would be ideal of course. But ey humans will find some reason to start one. Opportunism or other reasons

Are you trying to say "yes" by avoiding to say "yes", because you know exactly what that entails?  You justified OT wars of extinction (= genocide) by being "existential". I asked if its justified to commit genocide in an existential war. Is it justified to commit genocide, ever?

Its a yes/no question. After your "yes" or "no" we can proceed and discuss details, but first we need a clear answer.

Because you need to know the difference between a war and a genocide.

If two sides are on equal footing, and are fighting. Then its a war, not a genocide.
If authorities have all the power, and decide to murder people who cant defend themselves? Then thats a genocide.

(August 19, 2026 at 1:39 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 1:31 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Are you trying to say "yes" by avoiding to say "yes", because you know exactly what that entails?  You justified OT wars of extinction (= genocide) by being "existential". I asked if its justified to commit genocide in an existential war. Is it justified to commit genocide, ever?

Its a yes/no question. After your "yes" or "no" we can proceed and discuss details, but first we need a clear answer.

Because you need to know the difference between a war and a genocide.

If two sides are on equal footing, and are fighting. Then its a war, not a genocide.
If authorities have all the power, and decide to murder people who cant defend themselves? Then thats a genocide.

Clear as mud, that was. Since you clearly need a hint as to whether genocide is justifiable in an existential war, the answer isn’t ‘yes’.

Boru

(August 19, 2026 at 1:39 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 1:31 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Are you trying to say "yes" by avoiding to say "yes", because you know exactly what that entails?  You justified OT wars of extinction (= genocide) by being "existential". I asked if its justified to commit genocide in an existential war. Is it justified to commit genocide, ever?

Its a yes/no question. After your "yes" or "no" we can proceed and discuss details, but first we need a clear answer.

Because you need to know the difference between a war and a genocide.

If two sides are on equal footing, and are fighting. Then its a war, not a genocide.
If authorities have all the power, and decide to murder people who cant defend themselves? Then thats a genocide.

(August 19, 2026 at 1:39 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 1:31 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Are you trying to say "yes" by avoiding to say "yes", because you know exactly what that entails?  You justified OT wars of extinction (= genocide) by being "existential". I asked if its justified to commit genocide in an existential war. Is it justified to commit genocide, ever?

Its a yes/no question. After your "yes" or "no" we can proceed and discuss details, but first we need a clear answer.

Because you need to know the difference between a war and a genocide.

If two sides are on equal footing, and are fighting. Then its a war, not a genocide.
If authorities have all the power, and decide to murder people who cant defend themselves? Then thats a genocide.

I didnt ask you about the definition of genocide, i asked you about justification. You mentioned "existential war" and are now running from your own argument towards "murder people who cant defend themselves". You are not willing to have a honest conversation, thats why you try to derail the conversation by shifting it to a discussion about the difference between war and genocide. So there is that.

Back on topic: We all (you included) know that genocide can not be justifiable, under any context. Your problem is: You had to justify genocide somehow, since your holy book clearly says god ordered and committed genocide. You felt compelled to bite the bullet and justify it. Now, after the fact, you have to avoid addressing this problem of yours. You gave up your humanity and honesty for an ancient book of folklore and thats what we are witnessing here. 

For the last time: Do you think genocide can be justified? Yes, or no?

(August 19, 2026 at 4:40 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 1:39 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: Because you need to know the difference between a war and a genocide.

If two sides are on equal footing, and are fighting. Then its a war, not a genocide.
If authorities have all the power, and decide to murder people who cant defend themselves? Then thats a genocide.

problem of yours. You gave up your humanity and honesty for an ancient book of folklore and thats what we are witnessing here. 

For the last time: Do you think genocide can be justified? Yes, or no?

I am gonna assume you will straw man that one time with the flood in the old testament? But to answer. No i dont think genocide is good ever

edit: for whatever reason i cant reply. So i will reply here

(By your own logic i guess the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s also counts as a genocide and not a war?
If i were to side with someone, i would pick Franco. Since the Communists were killing clergymen in that war.

But thats what conflict of interest looks like. Which side are you on? Thats the question in a war usually)

(August 19, 2026 at 4:50 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 4:40 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: problem of yours. You gave up your humanity and honesty for an ancient book of folklore and thats what we are witnessing here. 

For the last time: Do you think genocide can be justified? Yes, or no?

I am gonna assume you will straw man that one time with the flood in the old testament? But to answer. No i dont think genocide is good ever

When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. The individual is present and active in this thread. All you have to do is ask him. Instead you prefer to put words in his mouth.

(August 19, 2026 at 4:50 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 4:40 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: problem of yours. You gave up your humanity and honesty for an ancient book of folklore and thats what we are witnessing here. 

For the last time: Do you think genocide can be justified? Yes, or no?

I am gonna assume you will straw man that one time with the flood in the old testament? But to answer. No i dont think genocide is good ever

Thats what happens when you try to get ahead of an argument, but have no idea what the argument is.

Now, here you say that genocide is good ever, but in post #13 you have justified biblical genocides with being "existential wars against pagan religions". Please reconcile. Please also tell us what you think about your god having ordered genocides. Was that good or bad?

(August 19, 2026 at 5:17 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 4:50 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: I am gonna assume you will straw man that one time with the flood in the old testament? But to answer. No i dont think genocide is good ever

Thats what happens when you try to get ahead of an argument, but have no idea what the argument is.

Now, here you say that genocide is good ever, but in post #13 you have justified biblical genocides with being "existential wars against pagan religions". Please reconcile. Please also tell us what you think about your god having ordered genocides. Was that good or bad?

By your own logic i guess the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s was also a genocide?
If you were to ask me what side i would pick? Franco. Since the Communists killed priests in that war.

But thats what you call conflict of interest wars.

You just don`t know the difference between a genocide vs a war. Thats the problem