(April 16, 2012 at 4:07 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: I do not "believe in morality", but I do believe in having an ethics and values system. I do not believe that eating meat causes "unnecessary pain and suffering". I do not have empathy for an animal that I am going to cook and eat. I don't give it's 'feelings' a second thought as I wipe the grease from my chin.

Do you just have ethics/values for other humans? If so, why?

I don't eat other humans.

(April 16, 2012 at 3:59 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: Do you agree with Dawkins that on moral grounds, eating meat cannot be justified?

Nope. I love eating meat. Have it all the time. Also I don't think there is any needless pain and suffering. They're killed almost instantly. In the wild, they'd almost always suffer a brutal and painful death, a hard life from birth to death. In fact it happens to pretty much every wild animal on the planet. Farm animals always have food readily available, no predators and the killing is quick. Besides, with our ever growing population and very much limited resources, you can't be picky.

I always say that if animals don't want to be eaten, they should stop tasting so good.

(April 16, 2012 at 4:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I always say that if animals don't want to be eaten, they should stop tasting so good.

Agreed, I think they enjoy it to be honest. They aspire to appease our hunger.

It gives them purpose.

@OP No, I do not agree. Eating meat is not a moral issue, beyond one's own moral and ethical values.

Fuck, I'm hungry. Time to go get a big fat meat sammich.

This is the true Epicurian Paradox: Cheesesteak, or Bahn Mi?

Thoughtful. American, right?

(April 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: Thoughtful. American, right?

Who?

Morality is BS, it's all subjective nonsence. Your own personal morality is no more than the reflection of your childhood and life experiences.

I eat lots of fruit and veg, but i'm higher up the food chain, so I eat meat.

But I do insist on the meat having a good life and I detest battery farming and any type of poor conditions for the animals.

Am I not merciful?