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I believe!
#21
RE: I believe!
(October 28, 2008 at 8:44 pm)Ace Wrote:
(October 28, 2008 at 8:39 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: Ahhhhh but Ace! God as Jesus proved his existence

There is still no evidence for the existance of god. I have seen none.

So please bring forward evidence of this "god" thing.
Yeah evidence!
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#22
RE: I believe!
(October 28, 2008 at 8:39 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: Ahhhhh but Ace! God as Jesus proved his existence, and thereby disprovd all false gods! Remember, God is all knowing, he knows everyhing and he is perfect so he never lies!

I also give science a chance! I love science (my favorite subjec!) but modern science is corruped by atheists and people want to keep God in a tiny box away from everything scientifick. Watch Expelled the movie, you will understand what I mean! Also check out videos by Kent Hovind and Answers in Genesis, and you will see the science behind creation!

You know nothing of reason.

Boy oh boy!Rolleyes
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#23
RE: I believe!
Kent Hovind is my favourite Cdesign Proponentsist.
"Evolution isn't a matter of belief. It is a scientific fact that you can either accept, or you're an idiot." - My humble self.

Come along to Herd-of-Cats to talk about whatever the hell you like.
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#24
RE: I believe!
Existence is proof of God! Kent Hovind was wrongly convicted because you aren't allowed to tax religious institutions and all his work was God's! The scientific community just wanted him to go away because he was scaring them (he rebelled against their atheist conspiracy!)
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#25
RE: I believe!
(October 28, 2008 at 8:46 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: Existence is proof of God! Kent Hovind was wrongly convicted because you aren't allowed to tax religious institutions and all his work was God's! The scientific community just wanted him to go away because he was scaring them (he rebelled against their atheist conspiracy!)
Ah! So you are a Poe.
"Evolution isn't a matter of belief. It is a scientific fact that you can either accept, or you're an idiot." - My humble self.

Come along to Herd-of-Cats to talk about whatever the hell you like.
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#26
RE: I believe!
I don't think he's a Poe! I'd say more a Tinky Winky.....

Anyway, Hello Teen4Jesus. Welcome to our forum of logic, sense, reason, philosophy and other fine qualities that you are obviously is desperate need of being exposed to..

Also, you must forgive some of us who, from time to time, can't resist the temptation to throw a little scorn and ridicule your way. This is understandable as a lot of the things you, and your kind say are so predictable and absurd that it is sometimes difficult to credit those ideas to a rational human being.

OK then, on with the show Big Grin
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#27
RE: I believe!
(October 28, 2008 at 7:53 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: God brought me to this forums from the Google, and he wants me to stay here until I convert you all to His wisdom! Hopefully you aren't suffering from such full blown atheism that you will be close minded and ignore me!

Why can't he do it? Why does he need you?

Being atheist means that we are open minded. I would say that it is you who are closed minded as you won't accept anything that contradicts that little dusty book of yours.

And, if you make sense and put forward original and interesting thoughts then, of course, I won't ignore you.

Quote:I guess I should start by asking you all what you believe. Since you are atheists you probably believe that the world is millions of years old and we all came from some monkeys who came from some fish who decided one day to step out of the oceans! I reckon some of you probably say you believe this but secretly know it is a lie and really ridiculous thing to say!

No. I believe that the world is about 4.5 billion years old and that all life originated from a clever little chemical reaction which then handed everything over to evolution.

I would say that secretly you know this to be the most probable cause of life and to credit it all to a supernatural entity in the sky is a ridiculous notion born out of the ignorance of an early phase in human development.

Quote:Jesus said He was the way, the truth, and the light, and that you only get to heaven through Him! If you think about it, atheism is REALLY stupid tho!

That was very modest of him. Did he really say that? Did he really mean it in that way? How do you know? Just because it is written in your book?

Your book also says that if, on your wedding night you discover your wife is not a virgin then you should kill her. Is this something else you believe?

I put it to you that believing every word of a book that has been edited, transcribed, translated, updated, modified over 9 centuries by scribes, monks and the members of the catholic church, none of whom you have ever met or even knew each other for political gain and control through fear of the masses is REALLY, REALLY infantile.

Quote:If you are right (ad you are not!) then nothing happens when you die,

Why is it that so many theists think that all atheists think that nothing happens when you die. An atheist is simply someone who does not believe in a god or gods.

Quote:but if you are wrong (u are!) then you go to Hell for eternity!

To be quite honest. If Heaven is full of people like you, worshiping and praising a jealous, petty, unjust, unforgiving, controlling, vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleansing, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully of a god then I think I'll give it a miss.

Quote:If you believe in Christianity (the one tru religion) then you go to Heaven when you die, ad you can live foreva!

See above.

Quote:Still not converted? Please comment!

Nope. I'm afraid that you are going to have to do infinitely better than that.
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#28
RE: I believe!
(October 28, 2008 at 7:53 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: Since you are athiests you probably beileve that the world is millions of years old and we all came from some monkeys who came from some fish who decided one day to step out of the oceans! I reckon some of you probably say you beleive this but secretly know it is a lie and really rediculous thing to say

Still not converted? Please comment!
you have an embarrassing lack of knowledge about evolution
I'd rather except a complement that we came from an ape like animal with a brain that continues to improve than being invented by a god with brains that haven't improved since 6000 years ago.
Atheist = Realist
Theist = Arealist
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#29
RE: I believe!
(October 28, 2008 at 8:46 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: Existence is proof of God! Kent Hovind was wrongly convicted because you aren't allowed to tax religious institutions and all his work was God's! The scientific community just wanted him to go away because he was scaring them (he rebelled against their atheist conspiracy!)
Existence is not evidence of God Rolleyes and it certainly isn't proof!Rolleyes
All evidence suggests that all natural things came about gradually and naturally, not all of a sudden. There is no evidence of the supernatural and any supernatural created would always have to be more complex and improbable than his creations.
As Dan Dennett would say, life comes about by cranes, not skyhooks. Sky hooks are "magic-spells" they're cop-outs and they don't really exist.
And NO religion SHOULD not be allowed to go about un-taxed. I'm not against teaching ABOUT the bible, as a work of ficition because the books of the bible ARE fictional.
Considering religion is almost certainly a load of nonsense and it can also do a lot of harm they certainly should ATLEAST be taxed. I don't think religion should be taught at all, apart from as a work of fiction like I said. Its ok to teach ABOUT religion, about what christians believe for example. But its absurd in this modern age to be teaching it as true!
So, you DO need to provide evidence. And until there's strong evidence that these absurd bible claims are true, religion should certainly atleast be taxed. They have no special place over other schools. Far from it, religion is a load of rubbish outside a work as fictional literature.
So, you're going to have to do better than that. Evidence please.
And about the whole you being "open minded" thing, as Dawkins says: "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thoughts it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"
And also Dawkins said: ""There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop out."
Big Grin
So, evidence please. Before your brains fall out completely. No offense.
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#30
RE: I believe!
The teachings of religion has changed a little. Once the bible was taken seriously and so were those idiot and evidentless claims. But now many schools and such are now teaching religion as just a view, as just a story for which it is.

Religion is no differant a story than jack and the magical beanstalk. God is no differant a fictional character than micky the mouse or tom and jerry.

They are fictional as nothing supports it. By logic and science it is just storys. So a little word for you theists here, you rant and rant over and over thinking you are part of some magical story and trying to get the rest of us to follow blindly. It is only a story, it is just a hypothasis, it is nothing more than a fiction of your imgaination. I see that, we see that but you don't.

It is delusional. So please rethink your words before hand. You are talking about a story that has no facts, no theory and no evidence. People of science cannot just turn away from all that data collected from many hundreds of years and from thousands of scientists just because of this little yet nasty story of yours that holds no evidence.

If you want me to listen your going to need evidence and please don't say "existance is evidence" because I can say the same thing for the spaghetti monster. In which you cannot dis-prove.
So take one good look around you and re-evaluate your surroundings. Reality can not be easily explained by one simple yet violent and contradictory story.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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