Theist: God loves you.

Bible: God loves you.

Atheist: If god loves me, why does he do all of this shit (see Bible)?

Theist: Oh, love does not mean what you think it does.

Atheist: Oh, that explains everything.


Only works if you're speaking to an idiot, drich.

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Also,

Quote:Agápe (ἀγάπη agápē[1]) means "love" (unconditional love) in modern day Greek, such as in the term s'agapo (Σ'αγαπώ), which means "I love you". In Ancient Greek, it often refers to a general affection or deeper sense of "true love" rather than the attraction suggested by "eros". Agape is used in the biblical passage known as the "love chapter", 1 Corinthians 13, and is described there and throughout the New Testament as sacrificial love. Agape is also used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one's children and the feelings for a spouse, and it was also used to refer to a love feast. It can also be described as the feeling of being content or holding one in high regard. Agape was appropriated by Christians for use to express the unconditional love of God.[citation needed] Before agape love there was no other word to express such great love.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love


Seriously, dude, facepalm.

(May 6, 2012 at 1:50 pm)Drich Wrote: Your life here is to prepare you for an eternal life later. Hardship forces you to grow spiritually. The more you grow now the greater responsiablity/experience you will have later.

So, he's the worst possible person ever. He forces eternal life on you without even consulting you.

Drich seems like a pretty straight-up christian: He reads the words, decides what they have to mean based on someone else's work and despite the lack of temporal context, then bastes liberally with snakeoil to slide the point that EVERYONE deserves to be punished by his sky wizard whether they recognize the character or not.

Being ignorant of the level of suggestibility he suffers can only be a good thing.

(May 6, 2012 at 1:50 pm)Drich Wrote: Your life here is to prepare you for an eternal life later. Hardship forces you to grow spiritually.

You say that as if it is a fact. Is it?

Or does it just say so in the bible.

(May 6, 2012 at 3:31 am)Kayenneh Wrote: And this is why I don't think that the bible is trustworthy, because it always seems to come down to "well, the translation COULD be...". If god had been a smart one, why not let it be written in a way that can't be interpreted?

Because as you and I already know, their god is nothing more than a collection of land hungry, sheep farming, slave selling, fish smelling, baby killing tent dwellers turned self-proclaimed prophets.

(May 6, 2012 at 3:48 pm)Shell B Wrote: Theist: God loves you.

Allow me to correct your understanding.

Theist: God offers a specific type of Love.

Quote:Bible: God loves you.

The bible: God offers Agape Love.

Atheist: If god loves me, why does he do all of this shit (see Bible)?

Quote:Theist: Oh, love does not mean what you think it does.

Theist: Your understanding of Love is not what is recorded by the bible.

Quote:Atheist: Oh, that explains everything.

Atheist: I know God better than you do so I contend that God is supposed to love me this way. Why? Because I have created a series of contradictions that allow me to disbelieve God.

Quote:Only works if you're speaking to an idiot, drich.

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It only works if you are an idiot/Atheist with a closed mind.

Also,

Quote:Agápe (ἀγάπη agápē[1]) means "love" (unconditional love) in modern day Greek, such as in the term s'agapo (Σ'αγαπώ), which means "I love you". In Ancient Greek, it often refers to a general affection or deeper sense of "true love" rather than the attraction suggested by "eros". Agape is used in the biblical passage known as the "love chapter", 1 Corinthians 13, and is described there and throughout the New Testament as sacrificial love. Agape is also used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one's children and the feelings for a spouse, and it was also used to refer to a love feast. It can also be described as the feeling of being content or holding one in high regard. Agape was appropriated by Christians for use to express the unconditional love of God.[citation needed] Before agape love there was no other word to express such great love.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love


Seriously, dude, facepalm.
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Seriously? You do understand that wiki is not actual reference material correct? So if/When I produced actual reference material (as in the last time I had this discussion one or two pages ago) and it contradicts the commentary posted on wiki, their can be no argument from you that the reference material supersedes what the guy who posted on wiki had to say..

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(May 6, 2012 at 4:48 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(May 6, 2012 at 1:50 pm)Drich Wrote: Your life here is to prepare you for an eternal life later. Hardship forces you to grow spiritually. The more you grow now the greater responsiablity/experience you will have later.

So, he's the worst possible person ever. He forces eternal life on you without even consulting you.

Are you being Obstainate or ignorant? One I can help you over come the other I can not.

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(May 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Drich seems like a pretty straight-up christian: He reads the words, decides what they have to mean based on someone else's work and despite the lack of temporal context, then bastes liberally with snakeoil to slide the point that EVERYONE deserves to be punished by his sky wizard whether they recognize the character or not.

Being ignorant of the level of suggestibility he suffers can only be a good thing.

You've tried to spin this (your dismissal) three times now.

Are you so foolish that you do not understand how basic translation works? Or is it your hope that everyone else does not? Because that is the only way your observation holds merit.

Koine Greek is a dead language. No one speaks it fluently. That means all we have are the recorded works of "other men." Are you so foolish to say the same about a translated text written in Latin? Or will you concede that without the "works of other men" The understanding of Latin would be lost?

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(May 6, 2012 at 5:09 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: You say that as if it is a fact. Is it?

Or does it just say so in the bible.

Both.

-and I though you put me on your ignore list..

(May 6, 2012 at 9:13 pm)Drich Wrote: Atheist: I know God better than you do so I contend that God is supposed to love me this way. Why? Because I have created a series of contradictions that allow me to disbelieve God.

Not quite. Much more like, "Your statements contradict your own holy book." By the way, nothing "allows" me to disbelieve in god. I disbelieve in god because there is nothing to prove it exists.

Quote:It only works if you are an idiot/Atheist with a closed mind.

Really ignorant retort considering it hasn't worked on any atheists. Hmmm.

Quote:Seriously? You do understand that wiki is not actual reference material correct? So if/When I produced actual reference material (as in the last time I had this discussion one or two pages ago) and it contradicts the commentary posted on wiki, their can be no argument from you that the reference material supersedes what the guy who posted on wiki had to say..

Oh, you mean like this?

http://www.iep.utm.edu/love/#SH1c

or this?

http://faculty.txwes.edu/mskerr/files/3304_ch10.htm

How about this?

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/web...ape%20love

Clean up your spelling and grammar if you want to add any authority to your derisive manner of speaking. If you want to construct your arguments like a four-year-old and elevate yourself above others in this thread, don't expect me to respect what you have to say.

It is pure self-mockery that Abish continues to suggest only he has access to knowledge of that "special kind" of lovin'.

Theism: Totally helpless enslaved imbeciles selling misery.

(May 6, 2012 at 9:13 pm)Drich Wrote: Allow me to correct your understanding.

Theist: God offers a specific type of Love.

Which god is loving me again? There are thousands of gods and millions of interpretations. Why is your interpretation the right one? I want to start with that before we get back to the riveting discussion on "agape."

(May 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: By the way, nothing "allows" me to disbelieve in god. I disbelieve in god because there is nothing to prove it exists.

Then why argue the nature of his love?

It seems to me if you can attest to the love of God, you most certainly believe you know something of God.

Quote:Oh, you mean like this?
http://www.iep.utm.edu/love/#SH1c

This is a good reference, one apparently you did not read in it's entirety.
For it does not support your position.

Quote:or this?

http://faculty.txwes.edu/mskerr/files/3304_ch10.htm

No, this would be considered a commentary. Do you not understand the contrast between the authority of reference material, and the conjecture found in personal or even an official commentary?

Quote:How about this?

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=agape love

again no. This is not reference material. It is just a definition that does not support your assertion.

Quote:Clean up your spelling and grammar if you want to add any authority to your derisive manner of speaking. If you want to construct your arguments like a four-year-old and elevate yourself above others in this thread, don't expect me to respect what you have to say.

Do you not find it amusing a four year old's argument has the ability to deconstruct and dismiss all of your perfectly spelled out and grammatically correct responses?

I have always found that when people like you run out of relevant material to argue, the conversation appeals to their education as an attempt to accomplish what their well worded but poorly supported argument could not. As if somehow the legitimacy of the argument is tied to how you spell.

I have also found this to be true: Those who can do, Those who can't teach. Those who can't teach grade posts, rather than address the topic being discussed.

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(May 6, 2012 at 11:43 pm)el_presidente Wrote: Which god is loving me again?

Did you not read the post you quoted? God does not love you He offers a specific love to you.

Quote: There are thousands of gods and millions of interpretations.

what section of the forum are we in again?? Your help here could answer your own question.

Quote: Why is your interpretation the right one?

Because I took the original Greek word being represented and crossed it to the English.

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(May 6, 2012 at 10:19 pm)Epimethean Wrote: It is pure self-mockery that Abish continues to suggest only he has access to knowledge of that "special kind" of lovin'.

Theism: Totally helpless enslaved imbeciles selling misery.

(Foolish attempt number 4)
So if that is self mockery.. What is it when someone who claim to not believe in God, claims to know more of the love said God offers, than someone who has spent the majority of his life studying that same God?

How is it that you can know of this God's love when you claim He does not exist? If you believe He does not exist then how can you argue about the "special kind of lovin" being offered?