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The fossils record does not show any animals evolving from something else. All it shows is similarities. Your position is that the similarities between Ambulocetus and modern whales proves macroevolution occurred. You are using what's known as homology theory to prove macroevolution. Homology theory is flawed, as explained by the following source.
What exactly do you call this then?
Instead of getting your education from garbage creationist sites, try reading from more credible sources.
And please... PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF BLAKE LIVELY... STOP trying to separate micro-evolution from macro-evolution. While they are legitimate scientific terms, scientists make no distinction between the two when it comes to Evolution. You can't have one without the other.
Do you honestly think that scientists believe an Ape shot out a human magically one day?
Back to transitional fossils, no matter how complete the fossil record becomes (it will never even be close to complete and I have a feeling that you don't understand how fossilization works), creationists will ALWAYS say there are none. You creationists would even make some wild excuse up if a Crocaduck really did exist and we found the fossil to prove it.
Let me ask you something... do you have kids? I want you to show me a picture of your child the exact moment he/she TRANSITIONED from baby to toddler. Go ahead, I'll wait for it.
"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically.”
They were found at the 3.4 billion year old Strelley Pool Formation in Western Australia. The formation they are found in was dated using U–Pb zircon method.
And please... PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF BLAKE LIVELY... STOP trying to separate micro-evolution from macro-evolution. While they are legitimate scientific terms, scientists make no distinction between the two when it comes to Evolution. You can't have one without the other.
Do you honestly think that scientists believe an Ape shot out a human magically one day?
Back to transitional fossils, no matter how complete the fossil record becomes (it will never even be close to complete and I have a feeling that you don't understand how fossilization works), creationists will ALWAYS say there are none. You creationists would even make some wild excuse up if a Crocaduck really did exist and we found the fossil to prove it.
Let me ask you something... do you have kids? I want you to show me a picture of your child the exact moment he/she TRANSITIONED from baby to toddler. Go ahead, I'll wait for it.
You don't understand. Alter2Ego is cheating. You could show her a lineup of a million fossils detailing every single tiny change from one species to another and she'd still deny it. Why? Because she could say "they're only similarities, it doesn't prove anything." I know that because that's what she's doing now. We not only show a lineup of many transitional forms, but we also explain that they're in the right order in the geological column, that they share proper homologies, and more, and she still says "it's just similarities." She's doing this because she isn't capable of doing anything but virtually quoting creationist sources, she doesn't understand what she's saying. The way she described "homology theory" is how I hear it described in every creationist source. Creationists don't understand that homology is more than just similarities, it's similarities where you expect them to be as predicted by the theory of evolution even if there's no reason a designer would think to make it homologous (The homology in bat's wings, dolphin fins, and human hands for example,) and lack of similarities where you DON'T expect them (like mammals don't have a structure homologous to bird feathers)
She is here purely to burnish, in her own mind, her credentials as a totally subsumed devotee to her holy book. She has no interest whatsoever in having the very value of those credentials challenged. This is why she is an exhibit, not a debating partner.
May 22, 2012 at 7:51 pm (This post was last modified: May 22, 2012 at 7:53 pm by Reforged.)
(May 22, 2012 at 7:42 pm)Chuck Wrote: She is here purely to burnish, in her own mind, her credentials as a totally subsumed devotee to her holy book. She has no interest whatsoever in having the very value of those credentials challenged. This is why she is an exhibit, not a debating partner.
Ha, thats one cold, calculated put down. I just gained a whole new respect for ya Chuck.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
(May 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: ... can I put it away now?
I mean... I don't know if it shows but its kind of cold in here.
What th-... was that a crack at me?
I was just making a point. :S
Um, no. I appreciated and understood your point.
Ah, fair enough. Its just that rainbow paragraph took alot of effort.
I'm very proud of it.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
I feel sorry for this person because she's obviously been brainwashed. She's probably gone to Creationist propaganda websities like answersingenesis.org to try and find rebuttals of all the evidence we provided. I've tried to explain to her in the most simple way possible how evolution works but to no avail. People put so much time and money into debunking science as evidenced by all these creationist organizations. They claim to be pro-science and then try to debunk science with science and replace it with some pseudoscientific and supernatural explanation, like "God did it!" or they may as well just say "a wizard did it!" They clearly have an ideological agenda and lack the healthy scepticism needed for science. They REALLY don't want evolution to be true, but evolution is the truth, and the truth isn't always what people want to hear. Unlike the Christian God, evolution is not a sentient, vengeful being and could care less if these people that belonged to a finite species that will one day become extinct believed it was true or not. Evolution has happened, and will still continue to happen if these people like it or not.
May 23, 2012 at 3:18 pm (This post was last modified: May 23, 2012 at 3:20 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(May 23, 2012 at 3:06 pm)Jovian Wrote: I feel sorry for this person because she's obviously been brainwashed. She's probably gone to Creationist propaganda websities like answersingenesis.org to try and find rebuttals of all the evidence we provided. I've tried to explain to her in the most simple way possible how evolution works but to no avail. People put so much time and money into debunking science as evidenced by all these creationist organizations. They claim to be pro-science and then try to debunk science with science and replace it with some pseudoscientific and supernatural explanation, like "God did it!" or they may as well just say "a wizard did it!" They clearly have an ideological agenda and lack the healthy scepticism needed for science. They REALLY don't want evolution to be true, but evolution is the truth, and the truth isn't always what people want to hear. Unlike the Christian God, evolution is not a sentient, vengeful being and could care less if these people that belonged to a finite species that will one day become extinct believed it was true or not. Evolution has happened, and will still continue to happen if these people like it or not.
She just has a very small and rigidly calcified mind. She offers no rebuttals, just assertions to the contrary, back by well poisoning. A very small mind stuffed full of biblical crap, and lacking the flexibility to expand even a tiny little bit, even in defense of her bible. My dog can come up with better trick to get his food.
If you think god couldn't work a miracle and make a creationist dumber than Statler Wordorff, you are proven wrong.
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