(May 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm)ScienceLovesGod Wrote:

(May 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Sorry? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! Most of the energy that drives life and evolution on the Earth comes from the Sun. What on Earth has the second law got to do with this?

And if we are talking laws of thermodynamics then how do you equate the notion that God created everything with the first law that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed?

But if we are taking the energy form the sun, then according to entropy (which needs to be applied to evolution, you understand why), the sun must be losing energy.

When someone makes a sandwich, then eats it, we can say he "created" the sandwich, then "destroyed" it. Actually, the first law goes well with the depiction of an Eternal Energy-Giver. Since all energy (literally speaking) cannot be created or destroyed, it proves energy to be eternal, without a beginning or end, or always existing.

Yes, the sun is losing energy. It goes through 100s of tonnes of fuel a second, so that has to release some energy. What's so ridiculous about that?

(May 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm)ScienceLovesGod Wrote:

(May 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Sorry? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! Most of the energy that drives life and evolution on the Earth comes from the Sun. What on Earth has the second law got to do with this?

And if we are talking laws of thermodynamics then how do you equate the notion that God created everything with the first law that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed?

But if we are taking the energy form the sun, then according to entropy (which needs to be applied to evolution, you understand why), the sun must be losing energy.

When someone makes a sandwich, then eats it, we can say he "created" the sandwich, then "destroyed" it. Actually, the first law goes well with the depiction of an Eternal Energy-Giver. Since all energy (literally speaking) cannot be created or destroyed, it proves energy to be eternal, without a beginning or end, or always existing.

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/FAQ/Qshrink.html

(May 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm)ScienceLovesGod Wrote:

(May 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Sorry? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! Most of the energy that drives life and evolution on the Earth comes from the Sun. What on Earth has the second law got to do with this?

And if we are talking laws of thermodynamics then how do you equate the notion that God created everything with the first law that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed?

But if we are taking the energy form the sun, then according to entropy (which needs to be applied to evolution, you understand why), the sun must be losing energy.

When someone makes a sandwich, then eats it, we can say he "created" the sandwich, then "destroyed" it. Actually, the first law goes well with the depiction of an Eternal Energy-Giver. Since all energy (literally speaking) cannot be created or destroyed, it proves energy to be eternal, without a beginning or end, or always existing.

Do you even know what entropy means? It's obvious you have no understanding about thermodynamics and probably won't be told either so I think I'll leave it here for others more patient than I!

(May 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Do you even know what entropy means? It's obvious you have no understanding about thermodynamics and probably won't be told either so I think I'll leave it here for others more patient than I!

I wholeheartedly agree.

I'm glad the idiot shot himself in the foot. Saves me the time I'd otherwise waste responding to his underwhelmingly ignorant assertions.

(May 27, 2012 at 5:11 pm)Tobie Wrote:

(May 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm)ScienceLovesGod Wrote: But if we are taking the energy form the sun, then according to entropy (which needs to be applied to evolution, you understand why), the sun must be losing energy.

When someone makes a sandwich, then eats it, we can say he "created" the sandwich, then "destroyed" it. Actually, the first law goes well with the depiction of an Eternal Energy-Giver. Since all energy (literally speaking) cannot be created or destroyed, it proves energy to be eternal, without a beginning or end, or always existing.

Yes, the sun is losing energy. It goes through 100s of tonnes of fuel a second, so that has to release some energy. What's so ridiculous about that?

So let me get this straight. According to evolutionists, species on earth have been taking energy from the sun for millions of years, and as a result, the sun has lost energy in a result of this transfer. But random energy never produces organization. The laws of physics proves that it speeds up the process of entropy. Entropy proves the universe is losing organization and is heading towards chaos, like "the heat death of the universe", so why is the universe full of species that add more and more organized, complex systems?

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(May 27, 2012 at 5:18 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:

(May 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Do you even know what entropy means? It's obvious you have no understanding about thermodynamics and probably won't be told either so I think I'll leave it here for others more patient than I!

I wholeheartedly agree.

I'm glad the idiot shot himself in the foot. Saves me the time I'd otherwise waste responding to his underwhelmingly ignorant assertions.

I'm so glad you know everything. Care to fill me in?

Quote: When someone makes a sandwich, then eats it, we can say he "created" the sandwich, then "destroyed" it. Actually, the first law goes well with the depiction of an Eternal Energy-Giver. Since all energy (literally speaking) cannot be created or destroyed, it proves energy to be eternal, without a beginning or end, or always existing.


Do you even know what entropy means? It's obvious you have no understanding about thermodynamics and probably won't be told either so I think I'll leave it here for others more patient than I!

He must be a product of some school that teaches "creationism." I knew that was a bad idea.

(May 27, 2012 at 6:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: When someone makes a sandwich, then eats it, we can say he "created" the sandwich, then "destroyed" it. Actually, the first law goes well with the depiction of an Eternal Energy-Giver. Since all energy (literally speaking) cannot be created or destroyed, it proves energy to be eternal, without a beginning or end, or always existing.


Do you even know what entropy means? It's obvious you have no understanding about thermodynamics and probably won't be told either so I think I'll leave it here for others more patient than I!

He must be a product of some school that teaches "creationism." I knew that was a bad idea.

No, I never went to such school. I went to a mindless public school where they teach evolution.

It's funny how I ask a question, and don't get an answer. I simply applied physics to evolution. I am beginning to wonder if anyone can even answer this perfectly sane and logical observation.

(May 27, 2012 at 6:11 pm)ScienceLovesGod Wrote: I am beginning to wonder if anyone can even answer this perfectly sane and logical observation.

If you can provide such I'm sure someone will answer you.

Here.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo.html


Come back when you've learned something.

Do you seriously think you are the first to show up here spouting this particular line of drivel?

(May 27, 2012 at 6:11 pm)ScienceLovesGod Wrote:

(May 27, 2012 at 6:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: He must be a product of some school that teaches "creationism." I knew that was a bad idea.

No, I never went to such school. I went to a mindless public school where they teach evolution.

It's funny how I ask a question, and don't get an answer. I simply applied physics to evolution. I am beginning to wonder if anyone can even answer this perfectly sane and logical observation.

Some basic level of knowledge and intellect, a level only a few times higher than what is needed to see through Christianity and abandon it as the trash it is, is required for people consider noticing your existence.