(June 10, 2012 at 12:28 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I'm a bit confused. Is this supposed to be evidence of something?

I'm a bit confused where you got "evidence" out of the title and/or the topic of the thread. Its a meditation within context of Christian traditions and beliefs, which is pretty common on both the atheist and the religious side of things.

(June 10, 2012 at 1:26 am)Aiza Wrote:

(June 10, 2012 at 12:28 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I'm a bit confused. Is this supposed to be evidence of something?

I'm a bit confused where you got "evidence" out of the title and/or the topic of the thread. Its a meditation within context of Christian traditions and beliefs, which is pretty common on both the atheist and the religious side of things.

I see, philosophical ramblings upon a subject upon which you have no knowledge.

So how could you be happy in heaven knowing that there are millions of souls suffering eternal torment in hell when their only "crime" is non belief or believing in the wrong god?

Or are you so callous that you just wouldn't care?

(June 10, 2012 at 1:33 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(June 10, 2012 at 1:26 am)Aiza Wrote: I'm a bit confused where you got "evidence" out of the title and/or the topic of the thread. Its a meditation within context of Christian traditions and beliefs, which is pretty common on both the atheist and the religious side of things.

I see, philosophical ramblings upon a subject upon which you have no knowledge.

So how could you be happy in heaven knowing that there are millions of souls suffering eternal torment in hell when their only "crime" is non belief or believing in the wrong god?

Or are you so callous that you just wouldn't care?

How retarded can you all stay, I mean really, how many more times do we have to explain that unforgiven sin is the problem, no one's being callous, if we did not care we would not be here. Our time spent here could have been used to do many other things, instead we at least try.

(June 10, 2012 at 2:38 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 10, 2012 at 1:33 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I see, philosophical ramblings upon a subject upon which you have no knowledge.

So how could you be happy in heaven knowing that there are millions of souls suffering eternal torment in hell when their only "crime" is non belief or believing in the wrong god?

Or are you so callous that you just wouldn't care?

How retarded can you all stay, I mean really, how many more times do we have to explain that unforgiven sin is the problem, no one's being callous, if we did not care we would not be here. Our time spent here could have been used to do many other things, instead we at least try.

Tsk,tsk,tsk. Your comprehension skills are lacking aren't they.

I'm specifically referring to your attitude to people in hell when you're in heaven.

How can you be happy in heaven knowing millions are suffering in hell eternal for quite minor infractions?

(June 10, 2012 at 3:50 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(June 10, 2012 at 2:38 am)Godschild Wrote: How retarded can you all stay, I mean really, how many more times do we have to explain that unforgiven sin is the problem, no one's being callous, if we did not care we would not be here. Our time spent here could have been used to do many other things, instead we at least try.

Tsk,tsk,tsk. Your comprehension skills are lacking aren't they.

I'm specifically referring to your attitude to people in hell when you're in heaven.

How can you be happy in heaven knowing millions are suffering in hell eternal for quite minor infractions?

One sin against God is not a minor infraction, I know you probably do not understand why and all I can really say is that's the way God sees it, one sin against the perfect righteousness of the Creator. I do not believe God will allow us to know there are those who are in hell, but if we do God will make it absolutely clear to us why they are there, so we will not dwell upon it.

(June 10, 2012 at 4:11 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 10, 2012 at 3:50 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Tsk,tsk,tsk. Your comprehension skills are lacking aren't they.

I'm specifically referring to your attitude to people in hell when you're in heaven.

How can you be happy in heaven knowing millions are suffering in hell eternal for quite minor infractions?

One sin against God is not a minor infraction, I know you probably do not understand why and all I can really say is that's the way God sees it, one sin against the perfect righteousness of the Creator. I do not believe God will allow us to know there are those who are in hell, but if we do God will make it absolutely clear to us why they are there, so we will not dwell upon it.

So you wont care about the suffering in hell?

(June 10, 2012 at 4:30 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(June 10, 2012 at 4:11 am)Godschild Wrote: One sin against God is not a minor infraction, I know you probably do not understand why and all I can really say is that's the way God sees it, one sin against the perfect righteousness of the Creator. I do not believe God will allow us to know there are those who are in hell, but if we do God will make it absolutely clear to us why they are there, so we will not dwell upon it.

So you wont care about the suffering in hell?

I'm not sure I can accurately describe what we will feel or not feel, all I can say at this time is that heaven will not be a place of mourning, it will be a place of joy. For know that's the best I can state. Sorry.

(June 10, 2012 at 4:43 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 10, 2012 at 4:30 am)Zen Badger Wrote: So you wont care about the suffering in hell?

I'm not sure I can accurately describe what we will feel or not feel, all I can say at this time is that heaven will not be a place of mourning, it will be a place of joy. For know that's the best I can state. Sorry.

But will you be aware of the suffering in hell?

And if so, how will you feel about it?

(June 10, 2012 at 1:33 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I see, philosophical ramblings upon a subject upon which you have no knowledge.

I can almost guarantee I, let alone Blessed John Henry Newman, have more knowledge of Christianity than you do.

Quote:So how could you be happy in heaven knowing that there are millions of souls suffering eternal torment in hell when their only "crime" is non belief or believing in the wrong god?

Or are you so callous that you just wouldn't care?

When I am in Heaven I am fully united to God's will--that is Heaven. There is nothing which can make me anything less than purely joyful. To be in Heaven means I will also, like God, respect their own free will and their decision to separate themselves from all love, though it may cause 'sadness' in the way God also feels sadness for those who forsake love for the self, it is not ever enough to drown out that joy.

That being said, no one goes to Hell merely for "non belief" or "believing in the wrong god".

(June 10, 2012 at 5:36 am)Aiza Wrote:

(June 10, 2012 at 1:33 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I see, philosophical ramblings upon a subject upon which you have no knowledge.

I can almost guarantee I, let alone Blessed John Henry Newman, have more knowledge of Christianity than you do.

Maybe you do, I was however, referring to your knowledge of heaven.
In that regard you have lots of unfounded beliefs, but no actual knowledge.

Quote:So how could you be happy in heaven knowing that there are millions of souls suffering eternal torment in hell when their only "crime" is non belief or believing in the wrong god?

Or are you so callous that you just wouldn't care?

(June 10, 2012 at 5:36 am)Aiza Wrote: When I am in Heaven I am fully united to God's will--that is Heaven. There is nothing which can make me anything less than purely joyful. To be in Heaven means I will also, like God, respect their own free will and their decision to separate themselves from all love, though it may cause 'sadness' in the way God also feels sadness for those who forsake love for the self, it is not ever enough to drown out that joy.

And you know this for a fact because......
Though you make heaven sound like the Borg collective.

(June 10, 2012 at 5:36 am)Aiza Wrote: That being said, no one goes to Hell merely for "non belief" or "believing in the wrong god".

Really? because according to your theology god will forgive anything, as long as you are prepared to ask for forgiveness and accept jesus.
So the only unforgivable sin is unbelief, doesn't matter how good a life you've lived as an atheist, you're going to hell.
On the other hand hand you can be a murdering rapist all your life but accept jeebus and you're in heaven.
Yep, makes perfect sense.