(June 12, 2012 at 9:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: You guys have the same old tiring junk to repeat over and over, can't one of you come up with something different. So many of you use coarse language to hide the truth you do not know much about scriptures, why do you not study them, so the debates can be sensible.

If you really wanted sensible debate, you would have to dispense with your biblical pretexts immediately. You are the fly in your own unguent. Until you grow out of superstition and witchcraft, brimstone and hellfire, all we can do is keep shooting the target on your head.

(June 11, 2012 at 7:20 pm)Drich Wrote: [

Quote:That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

There are only two choices God's expressed will or our own. To be outside of God's expressed will is sin, to intentionally or maliciously seek to be outside of God's will is evil.

I agree wit you. God gives us free will and the moment we use it, we are doomed to eternal purposeless torture.

And you follow such a S O B why?

Regards
DL

(June 13, 2012 at 2:31 am)Epimethean Wrote:

(June 12, 2012 at 9:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: You guys have the same old tiring junk to repeat over and over, can't one of you come up with something different. So many of you use coarse language to hide the truth you do not know much about scriptures, why do you not study them, so the debates can be sensible.

If you really wanted sensible debate, you would have to dispense with your biblical pretexts immediately. You are the fly in your own unguent. Until you grow out of superstition and witchcraft, brimstone and hellfire, all we can do is keep shooting the target on your head.

You can not prove a thing you said, till then try to be sensible.

GC, you are the poster child for hypocrisy. Be proud, brotha! Represent!

(June 12, 2012 at 4:03 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

Godschild Wrote:No He did not, Lucifer had free will, Lucifer allowed his mind to conceive He could be greater than his Creator, Lucifer acted upon those wrong notions, and he is Satan with a bunch of fallen angels he has power over. God will ultimately destroy him, it was not God's will that Lucifer fall, it was Lucifer's will that caused him to fall, if Lucifer had done God's will none of this would have happened. You want to blame God for the way things turned out, it's Lucifer that you should blame. It's funny in a way and pitiful in others, atheist call christians stupid and deluded, yet we are the ones that are intelligent enough to know who to blame. Ourselves for falling to the great deceiver, the father of lies, Lucifer.

How can god not shoulder the blame in this mess when one, he knew what Lucifer would do, and two, he had the power to stop it? Why is it that Lucifer's actions fall outside of God's divine plan when nothing else does?

Lol at the claim that you're intelligent enough to blame Lucifer. That's priceless.

I'm going to ask you this question one more time, please answer truthfully if it's within you. Assuming (this is for your answer) God is real, would you really want Him to make you do everything His heart desires for you. Leading you around with a ring in your nose, kicking you in the direction He wants you to go, pushing you through every door you do not want to go through, is this the life that would be acceptable to you.

If god is real, he could do so in such a way that we would loooooove it.

But no such thing occurs, because man, in his grasping attempts to maintain a cult that was outmoded a millennium ago, created the apologetic, who wooshes away any contact with reality that his feeble texts must endure, explaining as to how this passage must be taken as allegory, this portion in literal fashion, and how this book did not need to come after that book despite compelling evidence it did.

God in the christian tradition is the biggest crock of shit yet served to gullible consumers.

(June 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: You can not prove a thing you said,

Says the guy who can't prove pretty much anything he says.

(June 12, 2012 at 3:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: No He did not, Lucifer had free will, Lucifer allowed his mind to conceive He could be greater than his Creator, Lucifer acted upon those wrong notions, and he is Satan with a bunch of fallen angels he has power over.

Thor Wrote:And Muhammad rode a winged horse up to heaven. It's the 21st century and we still have mind numbed people insisting that mythology is true.

To use your favorite quote, prove your statement.

Gc Wrote:God will ultimately destroy him

Thor Wrote:Well, what the fuck is he waiting for? People like you have been promising this for thousands of years! I hope you realize your credibility is kind of shot.

No one has or can promise anything God has ordained, it will happen in His perfect timing.

Gc Wrote:, it was not God's will that Lucifer fall, it was Lucifer's will that caused him to fall, if Lucifer had done God's will none of this would have happened.

Thor Wrote:But wasn't this all part of "God's plan"? Because no matter how horrible something is, believers are quick to trumpet that "everything happens for a reason" and "it's part of God's plan".

No, it was not part of God's plan, God's plan was implemented after Lucifer fell. God never wanted Lucifer to fall, Lucifer chose to, tell me why is this so hard for you to understand.

Gc Wrote:You want to blame God for the way things turned out,

Thor Wrote:Isn't this god the one who has unlimited power and omniscience? Which means he KNEW what would happen and he did nothing to stop it. So, yeah, I can blame him.

You don't even believe in Him, yet you say you can blame Him, and you call me deluded, now that is what I see as funny. Yes, He knew what would happen, I do not need you to tell me this, I use it in my arguments all the time. Because God knew it would happen does not mean that was what He desired it to be, God knew if His creation was to be this is the way it would turn out, His love for man prevailed and thus He created.

Gc Wrote:it's Lucifer that you should blame.

Thor Wrote:Actually, I don't blame imaginary beings for anything. That would be like blaming Santa Claus because I didn't get what I wanted for Christmas.

In your previous statement you said, you blamed God, now you say you do not blame imaginary beings, does this mean you do believe in God , but not Lucifer, interesting to say the least.

Gc Wrote:It's funny in a way and pitiful in others, atheist call christians stupid and deluded,

Thor Wrote:Oh, I wouldn't necessarily say you're stupid....

If my recall is correct you have, if not I apologize.

Gc Wrote:yet we are the ones that are intelligent enough to know who to blame.

Thor Wrote:And who should we blame?

The answer is below v.

Gc Wrote:Ourselves for falling to the great deceiver, the father of lies, Lucifer.

Thor Wrote:Sorry, never met the guy.

You may not have, but you have met his minions, even though you may have never realized it. Through them you have encountered his deceitful influence and like all of us fell to it, so in the end we are to blame, as I said above.^

You are laying the dogmashit on heavy early in the day, GC. Did ya get a personal message from the big fella that you've been slackin'?

(June 12, 2012 at 9:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: You guys have the same old tiring junk to repeat over and over

Thor Wrote:You mean unlike the same old, tired junk guys like you repeat over and over?

We have to repeat ourselves over and over because you do not listen to what is stated, you would rather be not sensible, when you should study the scriptures and see if we're correct.

Gc Wrote:So many of you use coarse language to hide the truth you do not know much about scriptures,

Thor Wrote:Many atheists are more knowledgable of scripture than believers.

You know this how, I would put the youth I taught up against you any day, and watch them take you apart. How is it you think you know more about the truth of scriptures, when I've seen most of you, either be irresponsible or blatantly lie about the meaning of passages. I do not care what any of you say, all the Christians on this site know you cherry pick and never and I mean never research the scriptures to find the truth within them.

Gc Wrote:why do you not study them, so the debates can be sensible.

Thor Wrote:How can you have a sensible debate with someone who insists in the truthfulness of an ancient book that contains stories with talking animals, a virgin birth, people rising up from the dead, a man losing his strength because his hair was cut, etc, etc.....?

The same way we do with people who believe that life boiled out of a muddy soup, man came from apes, that dinosaurs are now birds, and that matter has always existed without a shred of evidence, that a big bang could over come all the gravity that existed, while said gravity was placed on all that matter. You expect me to believe such nonsence when light can not escape the small amount of gravity a black hole supposedly has, when it's gravity is only a small portion of that which supposedly was holding all that matter in such a small place.