(July 10, 2012 at 11:50 am)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: His cosmological argument from ignorance? You have GOT to be kidding.

Quote:I likewise have asked atheists for reasons to disbelieve in God, because I haven't heard one yet, even though I made a thread asking for one that has reached a lot of pages.

THAT IS A LIE STRAIGHT FROM THE PIT OF HELL. You were given MANY reasons to disbelieve in your myth, primarily your utter lack of evidence to support your claim of the existence of your sky fairy. Your sad attempts to quibble them away with bullshit do nothing to negate that they are GOOD REASONS NOT TO BELIEVE.

You sir are a fucking LIAR. I believe your fairy tale monster takes a rather dim view of lying, as well.

Oh, no. Not when it is to help the fucking church spread the word of their invisible sky-daddy.

Quote:‘There is nothing so easy as by sheer volubility to deceive a common crowd or an uneducated congregation.’

– St. Jerome (Epistle to Nepotian, Lii, 8.)

Quote:"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."

– Martin Luther

Quote:"We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity."

– Eusebius

He's following a long tradition of xtian liars, Taq. They'll probably make him a fucking bishop or something.

(July 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote:

Quote:Do you really expect us to slog through a nearly two hour video? How about putting your evidence for this imaginary friend in your own words?

I just said to watch Craig's opening statement. You can even just stick around for one of his arguments, I'd guess its like 5 minutes for one.

As cato has pointed out, all of his arguments were debunked long before he necro'ed them.

(July 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote:

(July 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm)Thor Wrote:

(July 10, 2012 at 11:35 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: I likewise have asked atheists for reasons to disbelieve in God, because I haven't heard one yet,

Really? Because I'm sure you've been told numerous times here that there is zero evidence that your deity is real. That's pretty much it. I don't know of a better reason to dismiss your claim.

What I have been told is that there is no evidence for God. However even if I grant for the sake of argument that this is true, it does not show that there is no God.

You claim you haven't heard any REASONS to disbelieve, and YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD that THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE. THAT IS A REASON, you disingenuous lying twat.

Your point is just as adequate without the large red writing you know.

(July 10, 2012 at 12:49 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Your point is just as adequate without the large red writing you know.

One would certainly hope so, but I am not so sure of that, considering he just started a new thread running the same line of shit. /shrug

I made a god once out of old bits of cardboard, danced around it, an offered it little bits of cheese it didn't work, If any body has a manual on how to make gods work I might take a shufti.

(July 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote: What I have been told is that there is no evidence for God. However even if I grant for the sake of argument that this is true, it does not show that there is no God.

Absolutely true! We can't prove that "God" does not exist. Now, if we follow your line of reasoning, we should also believe in the Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, mermaids, dragons, Hobbits and witches. Can you not see how ridiculous your position is?

Normal logic:

"I have a cowboy hat!"

"Oh, yeah? Prove it."

(Holds up cowboy hat) "Here it is."

"Okay, you do have a cowboy hat."

Creationist logic:

"I have a cowboy hat!"

"Oh, yeah? Prove it."

"You can't prove I don't!"

(July 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm)Thor Wrote:

(July 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote: What I have been told is that there is no evidence for God. However even if I grant for the sake of argument that this is true, it does not show that there is no God.

Absolutely true! We can't prove that "God" does not exist. Now, if we follow your line of reasoning, we should also believe in the Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, mermaids, dragons, Hobbits and witches. Can you not see how ridiculous your position is?

Normal logic:

"I have a cowboy hat!"

"Oh, yeah? Prove it."

(Holds up cowboy hat) "Here it is."

"Okay, you do have a cowboy hat."

Creationist logic:

"I have a cowboy hat!"

"Oh, yeah? Prove it."

"You can't prove I don't!"

Is that an underhand attack aimed at my hat? Are you implying it is not a black hat, but rather the absence of hat?

(July 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm)Thor Wrote:

(July 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote: What I have been told is that there is no evidence for God. However even if I grant for the sake of argument that this is true, it does not show that there is no God.

Absolutely true! We can't prove that "God" does not exist. Now, if we follow your line of reasoning, we should also believe in the Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, mermaids, dragons, Hobbits and witches. Can you not see how ridiculous your position is?

Normal logic:

"I have a cowboy hat!"

"Oh, yeah? Prove it."

(Holds up cowboy hat) "Here it is."

"Okay, you do have a cowboy hat."

Creationist logic:

"I have a cowboy hat!"

"Oh, yeah? Prove it."

"You can't prove I don't!"

What your not understanding is that a lot of Theists take their faith in God to be similar to that of faith in free-will or faith in morality.

Both of these don't really have strong arguments for analytically wise, but most humans will believe that it's logical to believe in free-will and morality and in fact illogical to disbelieve in either of these.

I think he is stating, why can't belief in God be rationally justified intuitively in the same way we believe in free-will or morality intuitively. Even if there are arguments for free-will or morality, the thing is, humans believe in before coming across these arguments, and are rational to do so (at least most people believe this).

I would say for something like free-will and morality, the onus is really on the disbelievers to justify not believing in it.

A lot of theists feel the same is true of God. I'm not saying that is the case for me, I don't think in general Atheists are being dishonest to themselves but I do believe they can know God exists, if they listen closely to their heart, in the same way those denying morality, I believe can know morality is not a delusion, by closely listening to their heart.

I've read the bible, thats why I don't believe.

Quote:First of all there are only three things you need to know to disprove god.

God is all knowing, God is all loving, God is all powerful.

If god is all knowing, than the notion of free will, good and evil can be thrown out the window because god knows everything that has happend, is happening, and is going to happen. You think god designed child molesters knowing what they were going to do, and hates them for it?

If god is all loving, why does he kill more people in the bible than the devil? Why do countless people get raped, slaughtered and tortured? If he is all loving he should help right? because he is all powerful, and he knows exactly what is happening to you.

If god is all powerful, why doesn't he stop the bad things? He knows what's happening past, present, future. He is all loving, so his heart should break each time and he should rescue them. If he is all powerful, why create inperfect beings? Why have people born with mental or physical ailments? Why doesn't he fix the crazy people?

I remember you said something about a perfect being, but he cannot have emotions and be perfect, emotions are what make us imperfect and we are created in his image. So best to say he is just like us, imperfect, not caring, limited in power and knowledge. Because he fucked up somewhere when he made us and cannot or will not fix it. lol

(July 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What your not understanding is that a lot of Theists take their faith in God to be similar to that of faith in free-will or faith in morality.

Both of these don't really have strong arguments for analytically wise, but most humans will believe that it's logical to believe in free-will and morality and in fact illogical to disbelieve in either of these.

I think he is stating, why can't belief in God be rationally justified intuitively in the same way we believe in free-will or morality intuitively. Even if there are arguments for free-will or morality, the thing is, humans believe in before coming across these arguments, and are rational to do so (at least most people believe this).

I would say for something like free-will and morality, the onus is really on the disbelievers to justify not believing in it.

A lot of theists feel the same is true of God. I'm not saying that is the case for me, I don't think in general Atheists are being dishonest to themselves but I do believe they can know God exists, if they listen closely to their heart, in the same way those denying morality, I believe can know morality is not a delusion, by closely listening to their heart.

So If I have you right you are saying I should worship my hat because nobody can prove it is a hat and not an absence of hat.