(July 11, 2012 at 12:37 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote:

(July 11, 2012 at 12:13 am)Skepsis Wrote: If you embrace the idea that lack of evidence isn't a reason for lacking belief in a proposition, then by virtue of that idea you necessarily accept any proposed postulate.

I have studied logic a little and I would disagree.

1. The absence of evidence isn't always evidence of absence
2. Therefore I must accept all God claims (catos "proposed postulate")

How does 2 follow from 1?

So here it is: you fail to provide evidence to support your god claim just as miserably as any other proponent of any and every other god claim, and any proponent of any other imaginary creature . All are on equal footing. If you claim one is real and expect others to honor your claim, you cannot reject the claims of any other, because they have precisely as much evidence to support their claims as you do , and you have no more than they do.

You can’t be so fucking stupid as to not understand this. Nobody with a IQ over a Chia Pet's is THAT fucking stupid.

(July 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote: If the God of Jesus Christ exists there is a good possibility that you will go to hell when you die… that seems enough of a reason to take the question seriously.

"If the God of Jesus Christ exists"? Are you now unsure?

I then have to move on to your quote, "there is a good possibility that you will go to hell when you die..". According to you, not only is Jesus' existence subject to an 'if' statement, you also proclaim that there is only a 'possibility' of going to hell. How kind of you.

For someone endeavoring to earn an advanced degree in theology you are woefully ignorant of Augustine, Aquinas, Anselm, Luther and Pascal.

I think Cato is right. I'm pretty sure they make you leave your doubts and most of your self respect behind if you wish to join the men of the cloth.

(July 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote:

(July 11, 2012 at 4:32 am)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: I find your stubborn rejection of reason disturbing. and by the way, watching Craig videos is not studying logic, it is studying ANTI-logic. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You are a perfect example of this.

You didn't actually respond at all to what I said.

You have failed to respond to this:

Quote:Philosophy of Religion Online Textbook, Dr. Philip A. Pecorino,Professor of Philosophy, Queensborough Community College, CUNY


http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/p...-Proof.htm

Rejecting the Burden of Proof

There are those who will refuse to accept that the burden of proof rests with those making positive claims. They do want to claim that:

"miracles exist unless someone proves that they do not exist."

"souls exist unless someone proves that they do not exist."

"angels exist unless someone proves that they do not exist."

"deities exist unless someone proves that they do not exist."

Those who behave in this manner are rejecting the use of reason. They want to believe that X is true or that X exists and to believe it without evidence or even against evidence to the contrary. They want to have their beliefs remain intact and not subject to refutation or to reexamination for fear of needing to alter their beliefs. They rest their beliefs in X existing or in X being true not on evidence and reason but on FAITH and even on BLIND FAITH and when against reason and counterevidence on willfully BLIND FAITH. Such behavior is within the realm of Religion and not at all acceptable amongst those who would pursue Philosophical discourse or who would ask that reason and evidence support claims.

And you have failed to respond to this:

Quote:AGAIN. THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO DESCRIBE IN DETAIL WHAT THIS "PERSONAL EXPERIENCE" IS. YOU WILL BE TELLING US EXACTLY HOW THIS GOD FIGURE APPEARED TO YOU, WAHT IT LOOKED LIKE, SOUNDED LIKE, ETC, AND DETAIL YOUR CLAIMED ENCOUNTER AND ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. OTHERWISE YOU ARE JUST BEING A DISINGENUOUS LYING FUCKTARD SAYING "I HAVE THIS UNICORN IN MY GARAGE, BUT YOU CAN'T EXAMINE IT".

And you have completely ignored many responses from other members including myself, all the while bleating lies and claiming that we have have not answered when we have. Your dishonesty doesn't escape anyone who might read these threads, and your presence here only serves as an example confirming what we say when we tell people that christians are disingenuous, deluded, dishonest, lying liars who are so irrational, unreasonable, and illogical that they even go so far as to vilify and deny rationality, logic and reason. Thank you for serving as our poster child.

(July 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote: If the God of Jesus Christ exists there is a good possibility that you will go to hell when you die… that seems enough of a reason to take the question seriously.

And if brain sucking aliens who hide in your closet really exist, you could get your brain sucked out while looking for a shirt. That seems enough of a reason to keep your closet padlocked.

(July 12, 2012 at 9:23 am)Thor Wrote:

(July 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote: If the God of Jesus Christ exists there is a good possibility that you will go to hell when you die… that seems enough of a reason to take the question seriously.

And if brain sucking aliens who hide in your closet really exist, you could get your brain sucked out while looking for a shirt. That seems enough of a reason to keep your closet padlocked.

You have there hit on the true nature of christianity, it being the only religion without a code of personal hygiene. They don't change their shirts.

(July 12, 2012 at 9:53 am)jonb Wrote: [You have there hit on the true nature of christianity, it being the only religion without a code of personal hygiene. They don't change their shirts.

Now that explains why the priest wears a robe!

(July 12, 2012 at 9:23 am)Thor Wrote: And if brain sucking aliens who hide in your closet really exist, you could get your brain sucked out while looking for a shirt. That seems enough of a reason to keep your closet padlocked.

A lot of fundies seem to have their closets padlocked, although that's for quite a different reason...

(July 12, 2012 at 9:59 am)Thor Wrote:

(July 12, 2012 at 9:53 am)jonb Wrote: [You have there hit on the true nature of christianity, it being the only religion without a code of personal hygiene. They don't change their shirts.

Now that explains why the priest wears a robe!

Oh it's a robe is it! That explains why a smudge of priests got upset when I referred to their mulies.

(July 12, 2012 at 10:43 am)jonb Wrote:

(July 12, 2012 at 9:59 am)Thor Wrote: Now that explains why the priest wears a robe!

Oh it's a robe is it! That explains why a smudge of priests got upset when I referred to their mulies.

Of course, by wearing robes they can get away with not wearing pants. Makes it easy to get a quickie from the altar boys!