(July 31, 2012 at 3:39 am)Godschild Wrote:

(July 30, 2012 at 9:08 pm)catfish Wrote: First of all, the lake of fire and "hell" are two separate things. Else how could "hell" be tossed into the lake of fire?

Second, I want proof that you know where "hell" had been translated from other words and if you know what those words are.

They are both part of an eternal punishment, four words are translated over to hell, sheol, geheena, hades and tartaroo.

There we go!

So, you are supporting the Greek myth of Hades and Tartaroos as being Biblical in nature?

Are you also supporting the translation of aion (an age) as "eternal" while the Greek word for eternal is generally viewed as "aionios"(sp?)

(July 31, 2012 at 3:46 am)catfish Wrote:

(July 31, 2012 at 3:39 am)Godschild Wrote: They are both part of an eternal punishment, four words are translated over to hell, sheol, geheena, hades and tartaroo.

There we go!

So, you are supporting the Greek myth of Hades and Tartaroos as being Biblical in nature?

Are you also supporting the translation of aion (an age) as "eternal" while the Greek word for eternal is generally viewed as "aionios"(sp?)

No, I do not support the Greek myths, these are Greek words used to write the scriptures during a time when most spoke Greek. Yes I do support the word aion, it is used in Matt. 25:46 to describe punishment and life, same word for both. So both punishment and life are eternal or I've wasted my time. Also look up 2nd Thess. 1:9-10. Aion includes all of time, past, present and future.

Min, I can't be bother arguing the ignoramus, but I would like to ask a question from genuine curiosity-based ignorance:

My understanding is that the Torah was first written down in the seventh century bce,in Judea. I also understand that written Hebrew dates from about the tenth century bce. In what language is it most likely the Torah was first written?

The Jewish Babylonian captivity is thought to have ended in 587 bce. How likely is that Jewish scribes would have been writing in Babylonian script? (cuneiform) Umm, didn't Alexander conquer Babylon a few centuries earlier? So perhaps Greek after all?

I'm confused.

(July 31, 2012 at 4:14 am)padraic Wrote: Min, I can't be bother arguing the ignoramus, but I would like to ask a question from genuine curiosity-based ignorance:

My understanding is that the Torah was first written down in the seventh century bce,in Judea. I also understand that written Hebrew dates from about the tenth century bce. In what language is it most likely the Torah was first written?

The Jewish Babylonian captivity is thought to have ended in 587 bce. How likely is that Jewish scribes would have been writing in Babylonian script? (cuneiform) Umm, didn't Alexander conquer Babylon a few centuries earlier? So perhaps Greek after all?

I'm confused.

AtG was in the 4th centry BC(E).

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(July 31, 2012 at 3:46 am)catfish Wrote: Are you also supporting the translation of aion (an age) as "eternal" while the Greek word for eternal is generally viewed as "aionios"(sp?)

That's a pretty silly parse, I think. Greek authors do stuff like that all the time. Just read John. Looser grammar typifies Koine Greek.

(July 31, 2012 at 4:07 am)Godschild Wrote:

(July 31, 2012 at 3:46 am)catfish Wrote: There we go!

So, you are supporting the Greek myth of Hades and Tartaroos as being Biblical in nature?

Are you also supporting the translation of aion (an age) as "eternal" while the Greek word for eternal is generally viewed as "aionios"(sp?)

No, I do not support the Greek myths, these are Greek words used to write the scriptures during a time when most spoke Greek. Yes I do support the word aion, it is used in Matt. 25:46 to describe punishment and life, same word for both. So both punishment and life are eternal or I've wasted my time. Also look up 2nd Thess. 1:9-10. Aion includes all of time, past, present and future.

2 Timothy 4:3-5
New International Version (NIV)

3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

2 Peter 2:1-4
New International Version (NIV)

2 Peter 2
False Teachers and Their Destruction
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[.b] to be held for judgment;

Footnotes:
a.2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus
b.2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy dungeons


Hmmm, destructive heresies and myths? Hades seems to fit that prophecy quite nicely.

As for your eternal support...

Lamentations 3:30-32
New International Version (NIV)


30 Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him,
and let him be filled with disgrace.
31 For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.
32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.

(July 31, 2012 at 5:06 am)catfish Wrote:

(July 31, 2012 at 4:07 am)Godschild Wrote: No, I do not support the Greek myths, these are Greek words used to write the scriptures during a time when most spoke Greek. Yes I do support the word aion, it is used in Matt. 25:46 to describe punishment and life, same word for both. So both punishment and life are eternal or I've wasted my time. Also look up 2nd Thess. 1:9-10. Aion includes all of time, past, present and future.

2 Timothy 4:3-5
New International Version (NIV)

3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

2 Peter 2:1-4
New International Version (NIV)

2 Peter 2
False Teachers and Their Destruction
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[.b] to be held for judgment;

Footnotes:
a.2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus
b.2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy dungeons


Hmmm, destructive heresies and myths? Hades seems to fit that prophecy quite nicely.

As for your eternal support...

Lamentations 3:30-32
New International Version (NIV)


30 Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him,
and let him be filled with disgrace.
31 For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.
32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.

You can quote a book, wow, so by this logic if I quote Harry Potter that means little boys can fly around on brooms.

Muslims quote the Koran, but you are not a Muslim.

I am sure as as long as you have been here someone has explained what theis fallacious bad logic is called, but in case you have forgotten it is called CIRCULAR REASONING.

If you wont buy the arguments of others when they quote their books, why should we do any differently when we reject your circular reasoning?

You pet god claim is not special, your book is not special. It is a book of myth like all the rest.

(July 31, 2012 at 7:15 am)Brian37 Wrote: You can quote a book, wow, so by this logic if I quote Harry Potter that means little boys can fly around on brooms.

Muslims quote the Koran, but you are not a Muslim.

I am sure as as long as you have been here someone has explained what theis fallacious bad logic is called, but in case you have forgotten it is called CIRCULAR REASONING.

If you wont buy the arguments of others when they quote their books, why should we do any differently when we reject your circular reasoning?

You pet god claim is not special, your book is not special. It is a book of myth like all the rest.

Holy fucking shit dumbass!

Didn't I just use the "book" to expose the myths?
So, you're redundant, does that piss you off because you couldn't do the same?
Are you one of those assholes who claim to have read the bible cover to cover and yet have NEVER thought outside of the box that someone else drew for ya?

Go back to your grade-school fantasy, just please, no more mention of little boys, I find that a bit disturbing.

(July 31, 2012 at 11:05 am)catfish Wrote:

(July 31, 2012 at 7:15 am)Brian37 Wrote: You can quote a book, wow, so by this logic if I quote Harry Potter that means little boys can fly around on brooms.

Muslims quote the Koran, but you are not a Muslim.

I am sure as as long as you have been here someone has explained what theis fallacious bad logic is called, but in case you have forgotten it is called CIRCULAR REASONING.

If you wont buy the arguments of others when they quote their books, why should we do any differently when we reject your circular reasoning?

You pet god claim is not special, your book is not special. It is a book of myth like all the rest.

Holy fucking shit dumbass!

Didn't I just use the "book" to expose the myths?
So, you're redundant, does that piss you off because you couldn't do the same?
Are you one of those assholes who claim to have read the bible cover to cover and yet have NEVER thought outside of the box that someone else drew for ya?

Go back to your grade-school fantasy, just please, no more mention of little boys, I find that a bit disturbing.

So wait, are you saying the "word of God" contradicts itself?
Well thats just craziness!

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(July 30, 2012 at 9:26 pm)catfish Wrote:

(July 30, 2012 at 9:17 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Not sure why catfish is giving kudos to this. It basically states how to prove him wrong with ease to the horse in last place.

By your own admission, you seem to not understand or "follow" quite a few things.
Prove me wrong with ease, c'mon, take the bait... lol

Most fishermen will tell you baiting a shark out at sea is a bad idea.
Most of what you type is nonsense and you're not too keen on reading entire posts so that adds to the nonsense inside that melon of yours at the same time as making rather humiliating mistakes such as giving kudos to posts that call your argument out for the bullshit it is.

You are no more capable of an actual debate than a special needs mouse and have bitten off way more than you can chew.

(July 31, 2012 at 1:41 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(July 30, 2012 at 9:26 pm)catfish Wrote: By your own admission, you seem to not understand or "follow" quite a few things.
Prove me wrong with ease, c'mon, take the bait... lol

Most fishermen will tell you baiting a shark out at sea is a bad idea.
Most of what you type is nonsense and you're not too keen on reading entire posts so that adds to the nonsense inside that melon of yours at the same time as making rather humiliating mistakes such as giving kudos to posts that call your argument out for the bullshit it is.

You are no more capable of an actual debate than a special needs mouse and have bitten off way more than you can chew.

So take the bait then. I have given my response to whatever quote you want to use that you believe supports "hell" as being Biblical. You have my "evidence" upfront and I doubt you have a logical rebuttal for it.

It's time for you to man up and prove that you know your Bible.

*I predict a fluff piece with no actual argument.

Hey - there's only room for one prophet round here! Work the other side of the street!