(October 19, 2012 at 2:05 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(October 19, 2012 at 1:41 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: People still read newspapers?

Only desparate Romney supporters turning over every stone chip in a search for anything that could pass for a glimmer of vain hope.

You mean like the Gallup poll showing Romney up by 7 points?

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(October 19, 2012 at 2:15 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Because support clearly overrides hypocrisy, bullying and outright lying by the GOP....

The only thing you assholes have going for you is knowing that if you repeat a lie long enough and loud enough, eventually people will think it's true.

OK this is typical - we disagree politically but you're a liberal and you aren't just satisfied with disagreement, so you have to try to demonize by calling me an asshole. Why not strengthen your case for Obama instead?

(October 19, 2012 at 2:40 pm)Tino Wrote: You mean like the Gallup poll showing Romney up by 7 points?

Yes, I mean exactly that.

(October 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(October 19, 2012 at 2:40 pm)Tino Wrote: You mean like the Gallup poll showing Romney up by 7 points?

Yes, I mean exactly that.

How is a Gallup poll showing Romney up by 7 points "a glimmer of vain hope."? You need to add some right-leaning media into your news diet to get a broader picture of what's happening. Obama is imploding. Romney is going to win. The lib media won't report it, or minimizes it if they do, but it's real.

And instances of voter intimidation, miscommunication, and early voter limitation (which is mainly comprised of democratic voters), is... what? a lie? a hoax?
My husband has visited various countries to monitor elections. Sadly, here in America we have more problems with voting than some sub-Saharan African nations.

Quote: Why not strengthen your case for Obama instead?

Compared to a shit like Romney, Obama needs nothing said on his behalf. The economy is recovering from the gully that Bush left it in.

But you have drunk the republican kool-aid and there is nothing that could be said to you that would change your mind.

I'm certain that you are not really an asshole racist like so many other republicunts so, I have one question for you.

Where were you when Bush was fucking things up royally?

(October 19, 2012 at 3:02 pm)festive1 Wrote: And instances of voter intimidation, miscommunication, and early voter limitation (which is mainly comprised of democratic voters), is... what? a lie? a hoax?
My husband has visited various countries to monitor elections. Sadly, here in America we have more problems with voting than some sub-Saharan African nations.

Do you really think that voter intimidation, miscommunication, and early voter limitation is practiced only by one party? It should be condemned when done by anyone, but acting like it's one-sided is just partisan delusion.

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(October 19, 2012 at 3:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The economy is recovering from the gully that Bush left it in.

OK keep telling yourself that.

(October 19, 2012 at 3:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: But you have drunk the republican kool-aid and there is nothing that could be said to you that would change your mind.

Again, another put-down, and again, you offer nothing to strengthen your case for Obama.

(October 19, 2012 at 3:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'm certain that you are not really an asshole racist like so many other republicunts so, I have one question for you.

And some more juvenile name-calling ...

(October 19, 2012 at 3:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Where were you when Bush was fucking things up royally?

I'm fine with criticism of Bush where it is deserved.

(October 19, 2012 at 3:42 pm)Tino Wrote:

(October 19, 2012 at 3:02 pm)festive1 Wrote: And instances of voter intimidation, miscommunication, and early voter limitation (which is mainly comprised of democratic voters), is... what? a lie? a hoax?
My husband has visited various countries to monitor elections. Sadly, here in America we have more problems with voting than some sub-Saharan African nations.

Do you really think that voter intimidation, miscommunication, and early voter limitation is practiced only by one party? It should be condemned when done by anyone, but acting like it's one-sided is just partisan delusion.

Examples of how the democrats are stopping likely republican voters, please.

Here's my links:
These are up all over Ohio:
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19139

This is what was sent out to voters in Arizona, but really only screws over the Latinos:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/us/arizona...index.html

These groups are operating nationwide:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/170415/are...es-illegal

unless you guys post something from FOX or some right wing conspiracy blog you'll never get Tino on your side, seriously just let him post this crap, all your doing is making his claims look legitamate by arguing against them, and since your not doing a great job, people will think these are the "best" arguments liberals have against this...."debacle"... I guess?

(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: These are up all over Ohio:
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19139

These signs tell people that voter fraud is a felony, which it is. It would only be intimidating to someone planning to perpetrate a fraud. I don't think it's bad to pressure people not to commit a felony.

(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: This is what was sent out to voters in Arizona, but really only screws over the Latinos:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/us/arizona...index.html

Yes this is bad and I agree that one should be suspicious that it wasn't just an honest error.

(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: These groups are operating nationwide:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/170415/are...es-illegal

I don't know enough about what these people are doing, but if the mission is to ensure that only legal voters actually vote, I think it's a good thing.

Again I think it's naive to think this only happens by one party, when history shows they both do it. Democrat JFK's election was widely believed to have been won by fraud, and there were numerous reports of voter intimidation against Republicans in Obama's 2008 election. I'm not interested in digging up accusations, as anyone can accuse anyone of anything, but here's an article on admitted fraud by a Democrat who is serving time for it. Note the quote:

"DeFiglio, who in a statement to investigators said that absentee ballot rigging in the city was a "normal political tactic," testified before the first grand jury on Dec. 8, 2010."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/...z29mRuNbwC


http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/...414466.php

(October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Tino Wrote:

(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: These are up all over Ohio:
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19139

These signs tell people that voter fraud is a felony, which it is. It would only be intimidating to someone planning to perpetrate a fraud. I don't think it's bad to pressure people not to commit a felony.

It's alright to notify the general public about the penalties associated with any crime. However, these signs are going up in predominately Latino and African American communities. Why not put them up everywhere? And there's always the caveat of in-person voter fraud being a virtually non-existant issue.

(October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Tino Wrote:

(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: This is what was sent out to voters in Arizona, but really only screws over the Latinos:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/us/arizona...index.html

Yes this is bad and I agree that one should be suspicious that it wasn't just an honest error.

I agree that one should be suspicious that it wasn't just an honest error. However, the burden falls upon the county for not doing a simple review of the document before sending it out to the general public. It's a pretty obvious error that should have been caught. And, let's face it, Arizona has pretty shitty policies regarding Latinos in general, which means they should be hyper-aware of these kinds of things.

(October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Tino Wrote:

(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: These groups are operating nationwide:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/170415/are...es-illegal

I don't know enough about what these people are doing, but if the mission is to ensure that only legal voters actually vote, I think it's a good thing.

I don't think you'd defend the Jim Crow-era southerners who stood around polling stations to intimidate African American voters. So why defend a group like this? One's stated mission does not always match the effect that a group may have. These people are trained to walk the fine line of legally intimidating people.

(October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Tino Wrote: Again I think it's naive to think this only happens by one party, when history shows they both do it. Democrat JFK's election was widely believed to have been won by fraud, and there were numerous reports of voter intimidation against Republicans in Obama's 2008 election. I'm not interested in digging up accusations, as anyone can accuse anyone of anything, but here's an article on admitted fraud by a Democrat who is serving time for it. Note the quote:

"DeFiglio, who in a statement to investigators said that absentee ballot rigging in the city was a "normal political tactic," testified before the first grand jury on Dec. 8, 2010."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/...z29mRuNbwC


http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/...414466.php

I'm not going back to the 1960's. This is today.
As for the illegal 2008 absentee ballots, those people should have been and have been convicted of crimes. They are serving their time, good. I will point out that casting illegal ballots is a very different thing to voter intimidation and actively trying to get the other side to not vote, even if these two means result in the same end.
You still haven't presented any evidence of current, 2012, democratic voter intimidation and/or fraud. All my citations have been in the past few months.
Oh, and just for giggles, there's this:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10...d-to-vote/
In Pennsylvania where the voter ID law was put on hold for the 2012 election, they are putting up signs in heavily minority areas, in Spanish, saying you have to have an ID to vote.... That's pretty low.