(January 4, 2013 at 10:06 am)Darwinian Wrote:

(January 4, 2013 at 9:56 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Tyson is someone I really can listen to; but I have never heard him say there is definately nothing beyond the Cosmos.

So therefore there must be, God a real, the Bible is true and Jesus wants you for a sunbeam?

And by definition there can't be as 'The Cosmos' is all there is, whether we've discovered it or not!

(January 4, 2013 at 10:13 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(January 4, 2013 at 10:06 am)Darwinian Wrote: So therefore there must be, God a real, the Bible is true and Jesus wants you for a sunbeam?

And by definition there can't be as 'The Cosmos' is all there is, whether we've discovered it or not!

Nope, as how could Tyson be the proof of GODS existence or not but Tyson has an opinion and I respect that. I also respect the way he doesn't particularly like the approach of some atheists to the discussion about God. But it is consistent with all my posts " no one can prove God doesn't exist" even Tyson.

(January 4, 2013 at 9:23 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(January 4, 2013 at 9:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: Am I to understand that some limited form of transcendental experience is the awareness of good? Is that what you are saying?

Not quite but what i'm saying is science is fantastic at dealing with The Cosmos and how it works but not so good when it tries to deal with things that are Transendental and that the feelings you get while not necessarily fully transendental it does give you some ideas about the limits of science.

(January 4, 2013 at 10:18 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(January 4, 2013 at 9:23 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Not quite but what i'm saying is science is fantastic at dealing with The Cosmos and how it works but not so good when it tries to deal with things that are Transendental and that the feelings you get while not necessarily fully transendental it does give you some ideas about the limits of science.

Ahh.... transcendental == feelings.... is that it?
And since we can't pinpoint where these come from, for how, you would like to insert your god here?
Am I getting warm?

(January 4, 2013 at 10:19 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Thing is that we CAN pinpoint where these "feelings" come from.... thanks to neuroscience.

Quote:really so where do they actually come from?

Neil deGrasse Tyson said: Wrote:"… I want someone to put electrodes on my head. And when I reflect on our kinship with the cosmos. When I do the calculations that show that a 15 ton meteorite that we have at the Rose Center for Earth and space. It’s an iron meteorite. When I do the calculations that shows if you take all the iron from the hemoglobin of the people in the tristate area of NY City. You can recover that much iron out of their blood and realize that the iron from that meteorite and the iron from your blood have common origin in the core of a star.

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Tell me what part of my brain is lighting up? Because that excites me. That makes me want to grab people in the street and say “have you heard this”? That it is not simply as Carl Sagan says: “We are starstuff”. But there’s a more poetic and I think more accurate way to say it. It’s quite literally true that “we are stardust”. In the highest exalted way one can use that phrase.

And so “I feel” and “I use words”. I bask in the majesty of the cosmos. “I use words, Compose sentences that sound like the sentences I hear out of people who have revelations of Jesus. Who go on pilgrimages to Mecca, There is some commonality of feeling. I know it, I want someone to do that experiment. Because the day you do. If the same centers in my brain are excited by these comic thoughts as are going on in the mind of a religious person. That is something to know.That is going to be a really interesting finding.Because what that tells me as an educator is “Let me offer the Universe to the people” and they will start taking it in and they will start achieving those fellings that they had before. And I don’t care if they abandon previous feelings. I’ve got an offering that keeps growing, that keeps becoming more majestic."