(October 19, 2009 at 4:36 pm)theVOID Wrote: If you want me to accept the claim that Creation had a part to play in the development of life or the universe you will need conclusive evidence for your claim

I think I have said before that I am not trying to convince anyone here to accept creation or anything else. So why do you insist that this is some sort of argument?

(October 19, 2009 at 4:36 pm)theVOID Wrote: What reason do you have to believe that the supernatural exists? Where is the irrefutable proof for the existence of the supernatural? Do you have anything more than an assumption in regards to it's existence?

I think I alluded to my reasons in previous posts. The resurrection of Jesus is the answer. I believe it happened. Could I provide proof enough to convince you? I seriously doubt it and, again, that is not what I am here for. There is so much that has been written for and against the resurrection that one could not scratch the surface here. But prove the resurrection did not happen and you will prove Christianity false. So research it for yourself. If you conclude, or have already concluded, that the resurrection did not happen, I understand your position on everything else.

Any other questions? I will try not to dodge any more, but seriously, I think you need to loosen up.

I'm pretty sure I speak for all atheists here when I say that none of us believe that the resurrection happened. It would be quite contradictory for us to believe so in my opinion, but then I suppose you could believe in "miracles" and not in God; it's just that I've never come across an atheist who does

In answer to the question about Creationism. There is no reason to believe it happened. The Bible makes several claims about the creation, most of which can be tested. When we test them, the results do not point towards creation at all, but rather to natural processes like evolution. Present evidence that creation happened, and the scientific community would listen. All you are doing so far is making an assertion. As the popular phrase goes..."we have the fossils, we win".

(October 19, 2009 at 6:09 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm pretty sure I speak for all atheists here when I say that none of us believe that the resurrection happened.

I would be quite shocked if it were otherwise.

(October 19, 2009 at 6:09 pm)Tiberius Wrote: All you are doing so far is making an assertion.

And I do not think I said otherwise. So, if it makes you feel better, I'll say it too..."you win"!

Congratulations!!

(October 19, 2009 at 11:23 pm)rjh4 Wrote:

(October 19, 2009 at 6:09 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm pretty sure I speak for all atheists here when I say that none of us believe that the resurrection happened.

I would be quite shocked if it were otherwise.

(October 19, 2009 at 6:09 pm)Tiberius Wrote: All you are doing so far is making an assertion.

And I do not think I said otherwise. So, if it makes you feel better, I'll say it too..."you win"!

Congratulations!!

I vote rjh4 for best forum theist

He doesn't pretend he has logical or evidentially supported beliefs!

(October 19, 2009 at 11:58 pm)theVOID Wrote: I vote rjh4 for best forum theist

He doesn't pretend he has logical or evidentially supported beliefs!

Thank you. Thank you so much for your support.

(Do I get a monitary award if I win???)

("We have the fossils, we win". It still makes me laugh when I think about this.)

It might make you laugh, but it's perfectly true. The fossil evidence for evolution is vast (despite what creationist websites try to tell you). Of course, genetics is far better evidence for evolution, but the fossils still play a key role.

(October 20, 2009 at 8:02 am)Tiberius Wrote: It might make you laugh, but it's perfectly true. The fossil evidence for evolution is vast (despite what creationist websites try to tell you). Of course, genetics is far better evidence for evolution, but the fossils still play a key role.

Indeed. Evolution can even make predictions. If certain fossils suggest an in between species at a certain time in the rock strata, they have gone looking for them and actually found them. That's how wonderful the theory of evolution is.

Example: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/...rediction/

It's funny to me how some christians can be so sarcastic when they have no "ammunition" left.

Quote:("We have the fossils, we win". It still makes me laugh when I think about this.)

We have faith, we win. This gives me the giggles all day.

(October 20, 2009 at 10:16 am)Retorth Wrote: It's funny to me how some christians can be so sarcastic when they have no "ammunition" left.

Indeed. Seems as this convo winds down he's resorting bad jokes. *shrugs*