Does the German saying: "Mögen sich die Wölfe gegenseitig zerfleischen." = "May the wolves rip each other appart" exist in the english language?

(January 19, 2013 at 6:31 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: Does the German saying: "Mögen sich die Wölfe gegenseitig zerfleischen." = "May the wolves rip each other appart" exist in the english language?

Nope. We have "Dog eat Dog"

(January 19, 2013 at 5:33 pm)Christian Wrote:

(January 19, 2013 at 5:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote: People in glass houses. Please, I want you and our Muslim to keep debating. It is like watching two comic book fans argue over DC comics vs Marvel Comics.

Thank you Mister Sir Brian37.
I really wouldn't wanna debate any Muslim. The debate would be short lived as they would not be able to prove anything they say from their silly fake book called quran.

On second thoughts, I would challenge the muslim guy to a debate on my own terms. He will not be allowed to make references to the quran, obviously a fake book while I can freely use the Bible to support my claims. If the muslim guy agrees, then we can formally debate.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at the fact that you really can't see how deeply deluded both of you are. Do either of you really really really think such a thing as a non material magic brain with no brain, no body and no neurons exists?

You are in total denial along with your debate rival on another myth team and cant even see it.

The only good I see coming out of this is maybe it will teach both camps that they can have debates without getting violent.

(January 19, 2013 at 7:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 19, 2013 at 5:33 pm)Christian Wrote: Thank you Mister Sir Brian37.
I really wouldn't wanna debate any Muslim. The debate would be short lived as they would not be able to prove anything they say from their silly fake book called quran.

On second thoughts, I would challenge the muslim guy to a debate on my own terms. He will not be allowed to make references to the quran, obviously a fake book while I can freely use the Bible to support my claims. If the muslim guy agrees, then we can formally debate.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at the fact that you really can't see how deeply deluded both of you are. Do either of you really really really think such a thing as a non material magic brain with no brain, no body and no neurons exists?

You are in total denial along with your debate rival on another myth team and cant even see it.

The only good I see coming out of this is maybe it will teach both camps that they can have debates without getting violent.

I already know i don't need to get violent.

“And who is better in speech then he who invites to Allaah" [Quran 41:33]

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching and argue with them in a way that is better”. [Quran 16:125]

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (radiAllaahu anhu) that the Messenger of ALLAH (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said :

Let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day speak good, or keep silent; and let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day be generous to his neighbour; and let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day be generous to his guest.
It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger.  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 135)"

(January 19, 2013 at 7:11 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote:

(January 19, 2013 at 7:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I don't know if I should laugh or cry at the fact that you really can't see how deeply deluded both of you are. Do either of you really really really think such a thing as a non material magic brain with no brain, no body and no neurons exists?

You are in total denial along with your debate rival on another myth team and cant even see it.

The only good I see coming out of this is maybe it will teach both camps that they can have debates without getting violent.

I already know i don't need to get violent.

“And who is better in speech then he who invites to Allaah" [Quran 41:33]

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching and argue with them in a way that is better”. [Quran 16:125]

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (radiAllaahu anhu) that the Messenger of ALLAH (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said :

Let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day speak good, or keep silent; and let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day be generous to his neighbour; and let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day be generous to his guest.
It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger.  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 135)"

No one was talking about you getting violent, but please, I do have a tv and do know what goes on between Muslims and other Muslims and Muslims and Christians and Jews.

And another thing, your book is not my authority so do not project your superstition on me.

(January 19, 2013 at 7:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 19, 2013 at 7:11 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: I already know i don't need to get violent.

“And who is better in speech then he who invites to Allaah" [Quran 41:33]

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching and argue with them in a way that is better”. [Quran 16:125]

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (radiAllaahu anhu) that the Messenger of ALLAH (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said :

Let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day speak good, or keep silent; and let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day be generous to his neighbour; and let him who believes in ALLAH and the Last Day be generous to his guest.
It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger.  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 135)"

No one was talking about you getting violent, but please, I do have a tv and do know what goes on between Muslims and other Muslims and Muslims and Christians and Jews.

And another thing, your book is not my authority so do not project your superstition on me.

Ok sorry thought you were referring to me. I only quoted the Qur'an and Hadith's to show that i cant get violent.

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"


"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

I sense the words "out of context" will be used in response to this.

(January 19, 2013 at 7:55 pm)paulpablo Wrote: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"


"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

I sense the words "out of context" will be used in response to this.

lol not even gonna respond.

(January 19, 2013 at 7:23 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote:

(January 19, 2013 at 7:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No one was talking about you getting violent, but please, I do have a tv and do know what goes on between Muslims and other Muslims and Muslims and Christians and Jews.

And another thing, your book is not my authority so do not project your superstition on me.

Ok sorry thought you were referring to me. I only quoted the Qur'an and Hadith's to show that i cant get violent.

Here let me school you on where this will go because for some stupid reason you think this is my first rodeo.

Next I say "And other Muslims can use that same book to justify violence, and do use it to justify violence. Same with Christains. Some Christians will say the bible demands you be non violent. And other Christians use the bible to justify homophobia, and murder of abortion doctors. And in Africa the Christian sect Lord's Resistance Army were/are using that bible to justify murdering Muslims".

Then you say "But they are not "true Muslims", ignoring that I pointed out all religions do this. And that all holy books are inherently divisive and are weapons.

Then I say "That is called the "true Scotsman fallacy". And attempt to explain to you which you will ignore, that how you wish someone would behave does not change what they think in their brains.

Then I give you the example "If for example, an atheist went into a school and murdered kids, I would not say "thats not a true atheist". I would say That is one sick individual".

Then you respond to this post with more nonsense while ignoring everything I just posted here.

(January 19, 2013 at 8:09 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 19, 2013 at 7:23 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: Ok sorry thought you were referring to me. I only quoted the Qur'an and Hadith's to show that i cant get violent.

Here let me school you on where this will go because for some stupid reason you think this is my first rodeo.

Next I say "And other Muslims can use that same book to justify violence, and do use it to justify violence. Same with Christains. Some Christians will say it demands you be non violent. And other Christians use it to justify homophobia, and murder of abortion doctors. And in Africa the Christian sect Lord's Resistance Army were/are murdering Muslims".

Then you say "But they are not "true Muslims", ignoring that I pointed out all religions do this. And that all holy books are inherently divisive and are weapons.

Then I say "That is called the "true Scotsman fallacy". And attempt to explain to you which you will ignore, that how you wish someone would behave does not change what they think in their brains.

Then I give you the example "If for example, an atheist went into a school and murdered kids, I would not say "thats not a true atheist". I would say That is one sick individual".

Then you respond to this post with more nonsense while ignoring everything I just posted here.

I would never say there not true Muslims. I would say they are not following the Qur'an and the Sunnah. If they have taken the Shahadah they are still Muslim.