You just wasted your time typing all of that because i already said im not arguing about the quran with you, im arguing that when you say muhammed marrying a 9 year old isnt an example of muhammeds youre wrong, because its an action and course of conduct carried out by muhammed, an example is a code of conduct that is an ideal, should be copied.

What you mean when you say im quoting the definition of example out of context is that this definition would mean the quran is wrong so you have to change the definition to make the quran right.

You might have a point if the verse specifically said "muhammed is a good example of how to follow commands" but it doesnt


There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.
Muhsin Khan
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.
Pickthall
Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.
Yusuf Ali
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
Shakir
Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.
Dr. Ghali
Indeed you have already had a fair example, in the Messenger of Allah, for whoever hopes for Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.


If you can show me where in the verse it specifically mentions commands then you have a point, if im correct and it doesnt mention commands then youre wrong

As i said though i dont even really want to go and argue about the quran, i just said you were wrong about how an action muhammed does cant be considered an example. It can be and it doesnt have to be a command simple as that.

Unless you think the quran forgot to add the words "of how to follow commands" in the verse, maybe they did just forget to add those words

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The man is running a marathon.

The definition of running here means to sprint.

The man is running for president

In the context of the verse show me how example means "good at following commands"
The verse doesnt even use the word commands, it doesnt say muhammed was good at following commands it doesnt say to follow muhammeds commands, it used the word example. When you say it does mean muhammed was good at following commands that isnt you getting things in the right context thats just you adding words to a verse which doesnt contain the words you want it to contain.


O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.

This is the verse you were talking about when you say this proves the word "example" means good at following commands, now this verse DOES say follow allahs and muhammeds commands, but then how can somone be a perfect example worthy of copying, a person which you should mimic as an absolute perfect example of what to do, if god has already commanded that people cannot marry the same amount of wives as muhammed.
Its the equivilent of saying, do exactly what he does hes the perfect example, dont do exactly as he does though.

If god did intend muhammed to be the perfect example of how to live then he wouldnt have allowed muhammed to have more wives than everyone else, because then he is no longer an example to copy and to mimic.

(January 21, 2013 at 4:15 pm)paulpablo Wrote: You just wasted your time typing all of that because i already said im not arguing about the quran with you, im arguing that when you say muhammed marrying a 9 year old isnt an example of muhammeds youre wrong, because its an action and course of conduct carried out by muhammed, an example is a code of conduct that is an ideal, should be copied.

What you mean when you say im quoting the definition of example out of context is that this definition would mean the quran is wrong so you have to change the definition to make the quran right.

You might have a point if the verse specifically said "muhammed is a good example of how to follow commands" but it doesnt


There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.
Muhsin Khan
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.
Pickthall
Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.
Yusuf Ali
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
Shakir
Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.
Dr. Ghali
Indeed you have already had a fair example, in the Messenger of Allah, for whoever hopes for Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.


If you can show me where in the verse it specifically mentions commands then you have a point, if im correct and it doesnt mention commands then youre wrong

As i said though i dont even really want to go and argue about the quran, i just said you were wrong about how an action muhammed does cant be considered an example. It can be and it doesnt have to be a command simple as that.

Unless you think the quran forgot to add the words "of how to follow commands" in the verse, maybe they did just forget to add those words

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The man is running a marathon.

The definition of running here means to sprint.

The man is running for president

In the context of the verse show me how example means "good at following commands"
The verse doesnt even use the word commands, it doesnt say muhammed was good at following commands it doesnt say to follow muhammeds commands, it used the word example. When you say it does mean muhammed was good at following commands that isnt you getting things in the right context thats just you adding words to a verse which doesnt contain the words you want it to contain.


O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.

This is the verse you were talking about when you say this proves the word "example" means good at following commands, now this verse DOES say follow allahs and muhammeds commands, but then how can somone be a perfect example worthy of copying, a person which you should mimic as an absolute perfect example of what to do, if god has already commanded that people cannot marry the same amount of wives as muhammed.
Its the equivilent of saying, do exactly what he does hes the perfect example, dont do exactly as he does though.

If god did intend muhammed to be the perfect example of how to live then he wouldnt have allowed muhammed to have more wives than everyone else, because then he is no longer an example to copy and to mimic.

Response: To the contrary, you wasted your time with the same weak rebuttal. For as demonstrated, the very context of the Qur'an says to follow Muhammad's example of how to follow the command of Allah. Marrying a 9 year old is not a command of Allah, so it's not an example muslims are exected to follow.

Furthermore, a verse of the Qur'an is a part of the Qur'an. Thus it is not the whole Qur'an and not the whole message. So your argument fails when stating that the verse has to say something for it to be right in understanding the meaning because by it being a verse, that means it does not carry the whole meaning. Debunked again.

Lastly, the verse does not state the example to follow, so it is you who is adding words to the verse by stating that the verse says that to follow Muhammad's example is to marry a 9 year old when neither 9 year old or marriage is mentioned in the verse. So you debunk your own logic. Try again.

So what you are really trying to say when saying that I'm adding words is that you can't refute the very context of the Qur'an that debunks your foolish propaganda. Too bad. Get use to it. Debunked as usual.

The Qu'ran proves that the Qu'ran is accurate, said the Tasmanian Logic Devil.

show me any translation of that verse where it says muhammed is an good example of being good at following commands.

It doesnt you just added that part

The verse does state the example to follow it says muhammed is the example. also if it doesnt state which examle to follow then you just debunked yourself since you seem to claim to know which example the verse is speaking of even when it doesnt speak of it. it clearly does speak of muhammed being the perfect example, an examplar. nothing more nothing less, like i said youre just adding words.

oh wait i forgot, example doesnt mean example
beat doesnt mean beat
backbone doesnt mean backbone rib doesnt mean rib
day doesnt mean day
fight doesnt mean physically fight

at this point you might aswell change all the words and write your own fucking book

you dont believe in the dictionary you dont believe in the scientific theory of evolution, you accuse me of promoting molestation and rape because i disagreed with you when you said having sex with a 9 year old is ok if youre over 45 years old in certain circumstances.
everytime you type a message its just more proof of exactly how illogical you are

(January 21, 2013 at 6:34 pm)paulpablo Wrote: show me any translation of that verse where it says muhammed is an good example of being good at following commands.

It doesnt you just added that part

Response: Yet the fact that it's a verse of the Qur'an means that it's part of the message, and not the whole message. So it doesn't have to be in the verse. It can be mentioned in another verse. Your idiocy is exposed as usual.

Now show from the verse where is says marriage or a 9 year old?

It doesn't. You just added that part. Debunked by your own idiocy.

(January 21, 2013 at 6:41 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote:

(January 21, 2013 at 6:34 pm)paulpablo Wrote: show me any translation of that verse where it says muhammed is an good example of being good at following commands.

It doesnt you just added that part

Response: Yet the fact that it's a verse of the Qur'an means that it's part of the message, and not the whole message. So it doesn't have to be in the verse. It can be mentioned in another verse. Your idiocy is exposed as usual.

Now show from the verse where is says marriage or a 9 year old?

It doesn't. You just added that part. Debunked by your own idiocy.

hahaha you told me in a private message that you believe muhammed married a 9 year old,if that is what muhammed did,and if he is the perfect example then marrying a 9 year old is fine and a good thing to do.

This is like a teacher saying dont eat sweets children, david is a perfect example you should copy him, go and eat sweets david.

then you being a pupil of the class saying well the teacher is never wrong so she must have meant something else other than perfect example

Quote:Response: Yet the fact that it's a verse of the Qur'an means that it's part of the message, and not the whole message. So it doesn't have to be in the verse. It can be mentioned in another verse. Your idiocy is exposed as usual.

I have a question.

Why do you have this compulsion to label your responses as "Response?"

The fact that you are replying makes it clear that you are in fact "responding."

Now, what would be fucking miraculous is if your responses ever had any merit at all.

(January 21, 2013 at 6:48 pm)paulpablo Wrote: hahaha you told me in a private message that you believe muhammed married a 9 year old,if that is what muhammed did,and if he is the perfect example then marrying a 9 year old is fine and a good thing to do.

This is like a teacher saying dont eat sweets children, david is a perfect example you should copy him, go and eat sweets david.

then you being a pupil of the class saying well the teacher is never wrong so she must have meant something else other than perfect example

Response: Yet Muhammad is the perfect example of how to obey the commands of Allah, and marrying a 9 year old is not a command of Allah, so it's not a good example of a thing to do.

What is clear however, is your obsession to marry a 9 year old as a good thing. That's your business. But don't try to use Muhammad to justify your desires. Doesn't work that way. Debunked as usual.

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(January 21, 2013 at 6:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Response: Yet the fact that it's a verse of the Qur'an means that it's part of the message, and not the whole message. So it doesn't have to be in the verse. It can be mentioned in another verse. Your idiocy is exposed as usual.

I have a question.

Why do you have this compulsion to label your responses as "Response?"

The fact that you are replying makes it clear that you are in fact "responding."

Now, what would be fucking miraculous is if your responses ever had any merit at all.

Response: Says the dumb one.

haha ok so by your logic i clearly stated to you that i find you disgusting because you think its ok to have sex with a 9 year old if you consider her to be mature enough and she says yes.

now how did that add up in your mind with me wanting to have sex with or marry a 9 year old?

its because you have crap logic and you add words to verses when you feel like it

carry on though its funny

FUCKING RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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FUCKING RESPONSE!

youre so illogical arrogant and offensive i think youre actually the one who is the perfect role model for muslims carry on keep up the good work youre a credit to the team

(January 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm)paulpablo Wrote: haha ok so by your logic i clearly stated to you that i find you disgusting because you think its ok to have sex with a 9 year old if you consider her to be mature enough and she says yes.

now how did that add up in your mind with me wanting to have sex with a 9 year old?

its because you have crap logic and you add words to verses when you feel like it

carry on though its funny

FUCKING RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response: Sounds like someone is mad for being exposed. Get use to it.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with consensual sex in marriage at puberty with someone who is mature, supported by your inability to prove otherwise. So by calling it disgusting, that means your ideology condones nonconsensual sex with immature prepubescents. So clearly, it's your logic and beliefs that dispicable. Find the nearest cage and stay awhile and leave the civilized people alone.