Bald Prophets are Dangerous

[Drich]

The love I offer my son is conditional too. O wait, not it's not ... not at all.

But it is. For the Love you offer your Son is for YOUR SON. Or do you hold an equal amount of the love for me??? If so Does this mean I can start calling you cinny again?

Once the boy in question has met the requirement of being your son then your love is no doubt boundless. As is God's love for His sons and daughters. But until that one prequsite is met, God's love may not be avaiable.

Well whadaya-know, I'm already better than your own god.
In fact does ANYONE - ANYWHERE know of ANYONE, who has ever even heard of anyone who spoke of a "perfect love" that was conditional? No?
Just some filthy internet apologist with no education and his own unfounded theories? Yep.

Again, By your own model your version of love (perfect or not) is conditional for a reason. Because it mirrors the relationship God has with us. (His children)

By the way Drich, I told my wife's father, who is the pastor of his Christian Reform Church all about this conditional love you're trying to sell, and he was outraged. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a shit about what he thinks either, but he's a damn fine bit more educated in theology than you are and he accused you of violating your god's promise to the world .... probably only because he didn't want to outright call you a heretic. He's actually a man of faith and not a dirty apologist. I rather like him even if I don't respect his silly beliefs.

Then ask Him if God's love is for everyone then why doesn't everyone goto Heaven? Why out of Love aren't they forced to save them selves from Hell? Or why doesn't God just forgive everyone without the whole belief without proof nonsense? Why does the bible tell us God hated Essau, Pharoah, Those who are quick to shed blood, those who perrished at sodom and gomorrah, everyone not on the Ark, and entire peoples to the point of genocide? Reform doctrine/beliefs aside, these are all plain and simple examples of the limits of God's boundless love for man, Without the attonemnt offered through Christ's sacerfice. Once we are covered by the attonement Christ offers, then we will find God's love is indeed infinate.

In reality God loved all of us enough to provide us a way to love Him If we simply accept it. If we do not accept what God has offered then do not fool yourself with a doctrine you do not believe anyway. Know that in your rebellion you know and have used the limits of God's love to disprove the myth of an omni-benevolent God.

None of this matters to me of course, but it just goes to show that you haven't earned your True Christian™ badge just yet. Why should anyone listen to the vomitous lies you spew forth?

Your begging the question here.

Believe what I say or not, it makes little difference to me. What I say is meant for those who are looking to reconsile what the bible teaches directly, and what is said about god from those repersenting a specific denomination. Nothing more.

Drich's take on John 3:16 --
For God so loved some of the world that he set up a condition under which his only Son would have to die. After that event, whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Provided you signed the subliminal contract, accepted the condition and told Jesus that he was your boss.

No. God loved all of us enough to provide ALL (not just one people like He did with the jews) the oppertunity to connect and be loved by Him.

This does not mean God blindly will love and except everyone for the next line stipulates this condition (That who so ever believes in Him.) That is the condition. God's love is all encompassing to the point to provide everyone with the same oppertunity. That oppertunity is to meet the condition "that who so ever believes." Shall not perish but have everlasting life.

That's the literal Hebrew translation right Drich? or maybe the Aramaic? Cause clearly God doesn't just outright LOVE the world ... it's conditional ... like all perfect love.

Show me in the english or greek where John 3:16 shows or even mentions the "perfect love" you speak of.

Again if you care to read this scripture according to it intended context the meaning of the passage is quite clear (as repersented in english) in that this love is conditional, Start with john 3:14-21 The condition of God's love is, "That Who ever believes in Him will have eternal life." This condition is mentioned at least 1/2 a dozen times. If you or your preacher friend are still having trouble seeing the contradiction, then ask yourself in the light of what that bank of scripture says, what happens when someone does not meet the requirement of belief? Is God's love still extended to them, will they have eternal life? Will they be welcomed in Heaven? If God loved everyone wouldn't this be the case? That he would forgive all sin despite what people believed. Now ask yourself according to the outlined passages in john 3, is this what John 3:14-21 teaches?

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Are 11 and 12 year olds slaughtered with premeditation not considered murder victims?

Are soliders who execute "premeditated" battle plans also murders? what about the state who condemns a man to die for his crimes, The judge who sentenced him, the prosecutor who requested the death penialty? The store own who buys a gun because he has been robbed so many times in the past? the woman going for an abortion? Are all of these murders as well?

No, why? Because all of these deaths were sanctioned, by the state and subsequently by god who empowered the state over matters of life and death. If God empowers the state He most certainly has the authority to empower of couple of bears. (not speaking of the gay ones)

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Not if you're an apologist. It's easy: God can't do wrong, so therefore, anything he does is automatically perfect and awesome. It's really quite simple, we're just too foolish and hateful to see it.

Yes!

From what I can tell, the being that is the christian god is the worst possible being that could've ended up as god. I'm reasonably sure that nearly anyone would make a better god than god. We've all met this guy: arrogant, conceded, vengeful, selfish, angry, proud, abusive, judgmental and utterly uninterested in you unless you can do something for him. Well ....... imagine that guy as god, and that's what we've got.

Finally!! For the Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.