(March 15, 2013 at 3:28 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(March 15, 2013 at 6:28 am)jots Wrote: First of all, where did you find these stats? I can´t find it even on SCB (Statistiska CentralByrån compiles official stats for the swedish government). Please post your source, it would be interesting to read.

Secondly, the increased number of rapes reported in Sweden, probably has something to do with the fact that the rape laws was changed in 2005. The new laws widened the definition of rape to include crimes that didn´t previously fall under the rape category.

I gained my information on this subject by a youtube user by the name of Pat Condel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell/videos?view=0

he usualy gives his sources in the description to his video. And I do not have a reason to believe that they are wrong.
I cannot find the vid in which he gives the swedish example but I got it from one of his vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=377kKBi6anQ

Ok, I will take a look at the videos later.

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Quote:You don´t have a problem with immigration as long as they don´t come from the middle east or northern Africa, is that what you are saying? Many immigrants in Sweden who come from these countries are actually not muslims, and that is the reason why they had to emigrate in the first place. To judge people based on their origin, and not on their values is nothing more than plain racism.

their values origin from that place, or better put from the vail and disgusting religion which dominates and determines the cultural values of that place.

So no. I am not being racist.

But I did expect some naiv european leftist to pull the race card and I wasnt disapointed.

That would make you a Nazi, right? After all the Nazis originated from Germany.

And as for my political affiliation you are pretty far off , as I wouldn´t exactly call myself a leftist, but whatever.

(March 15, 2013 at 3:56 pm)jots Wrote: That would make you a Nazi, right? After all the Nazis originated from Germany.

And as for my political affiliation you are pretty far off , as I wouldn´t exactly call myself a leftist, but whatever.

I have some Breaking News for you:

Nazi Germany ceased to exist almoust 70 years ago! The influence of fascism in German politics as a dominant factor ceased almoust 70 years ago! Germany is a republic with a democraticly elected goverment and abides to the standerds of international law!

Almoust the entire arab world is bogged up in a state of dictatorial tyranny, run or influenced by islamist halfwits.

I grew up amongst pluralism and understand and defend it`s principles.

They grow up with a understanding of having to destroy it. And this will not change until they change - not us!

(March 15, 2013 at 4:09 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(March 15, 2013 at 3:56 pm)jots Wrote: That would make you a Nazi, right? After all the Nazis originated from Germany.

And as for my political affiliation you are pretty far off , as I wouldn´t exactly call myself a leftist, but whatever.

I have some Breaking News for you:

Nazi Germany ceased to exist almoust 70 years ago! The influence of fascism in German politics as a dominant factor ceased almoust 70 years ago! Germany is a republic with a democraticly elected goverment and abides to the standerds of international law!

Almoust the entire arab world is bogged up in a state of dictatorial tyranny, run or influenced by islamist halfwits.

I grew up amongst pluralism and understand and defend it`s principles.

They grow up with a understanding of having to destroy it. And this will not change until they change - not us!

And who are "they"? All muslims? All people from MENA?

*Edit*

Just to be clear, I don´t think were are disagreeing as much as you think. I have no sympathy for fanatic muslims whose goal is to opress people or destroy democracy.

What I am reacting to is the fact that you are judging all people from MENA unfairly. People are individuals you know. Perhaps I am being overly sensitive because my gf is one of those immigrants in Sweden. She fled from Iran 7 years ago, because she wanted freedom from religion - she is an atheist like myself.

Anyway, lets refrain from namecalling and keep this discussion civil, ok? My bad on the Nazi reference.

(March 15, 2013 at 4:49 pm)jots Wrote: And who are "they"? All muslims? All people from MENA?

The irony is that German's actually specified who he was talking about, Muslims who don't accept pluralism. I hate when people somehow think that someone who is against Islamic immigration or Islamic culturalization is refering to ALL Muslims. I've never heard that argument except as the strawman that you just presented. Seeing as your other two arguments were basically calling him a racist (hint: Islam is not a race) and a Nazi, I'm not sure it's worth the effort to continue the conversation.

(March 15, 2013 at 4:49 pm)jots Wrote: And who are "they"? All muslims? All people from MENA?

I have expressed myself very clearly.

Of course imigration standerds cannot be changed, technicaly every person who emigrates from a non democracy has a right to stay in Germany - our constitution underlines that. And I guess every other European constitution does so aswell.

Yet I have underlined clearly in which cases people should be stuffed into a plane and deported back to the backwards deser they came from or at least into the first democratic country they had to cross in order to get here.
Which would be Turkey or Tunisia.

And I dont think that "all muslims" are scumbags, but surveys show that most of them are. And so, they should spend their rotten usless lives in a scumbag country.

(March 15, 2013 at 4:55 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(March 15, 2013 at 4:49 pm)jots Wrote: And who are "they"? All muslims? All people from MENA?

The irony is that German's actually specified who he was talking about, Muslims who don't accept pluralism. I hate when people somehow think that someone who is against Islamic immigration or Islamic culturalization is refering to ALL Muslims. I've never heard that argument except as the strawman that you just presented. Seeing as your other two arguments were basically calling him a racist (hint: Islam is not a race) and a Nazi, I'm not sure it's worth the effort to continue the conversation.

See my edited answer to TGAC above. I don´t think he was clear to begin with, but it may just have been some misunderstanding from my part. And no, Islam is not a race, but he mentioned immigrants from specific places, not immigrants with specific religious affiliation.

(March 15, 2013 at 3:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Ok, who else here wants to cut the nuts off that asshole who blamed the rape victim?

Did it have nuts in the first place?

Quote:As a Christian, I don't understand how any other Christian can stomach the Islamic culture.

As an atheist that's how I feel about fucking xtians, too.

(March 15, 2013 at 5:04 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: And I dont think that "all muslims" are scumbags, but surveys show that most of them are. And so, they should spend their rotten usless lives in a scumbag country.

Okay, now I'm confused. Are you against Muslims who advocate policies you disagree with, Muslim law breakers, or just Muslims in general.

You're making jots' complaint look less and less like a strawman. (And two can play the, "those aren't True Germans" card if this is the way you want to swing)



ps. jots. Nice Godwin.

(March 16, 2013 at 2:34 am)apophenia Wrote: Okay, now I'm confused. Are you against Muslims who advocate policies you disagree with, Muslim law breakers, or just Muslims in general.

I am against any group which is determin to undermine and abolish the democracy in which they live in. Aswell as groups which publicly call for the abolishment of modern democratic values or the disregard of those.

As a matter of fact, recently groups which have been doing such recently have been mostly islamic.
And as a matter of fact, when this is mentioned people often grab and fling arround the race card.