Having mystical experiences does not make you crazy.

(March 19, 2013 at 10:38 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Having mystical experiences does not make you crazy.

It does when no one else around you experiences the same thing that you do.

(March 19, 2013 at 10:38 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Having mystical experiences does not make you crazy.

No, lol, Strodel, the experience doesn't "make you crazy", but having such an experience is often a very strong indicator that you have already lost your shit.

But in the case of my experiences, I have had people around me give me prophetic words that confirmed specific details of the experiences that I had. For instance, while God showed me many, many events in my life, showing me images of my whole life, a women in charismatic ministry told me that "God is showing you past events where you have failed him". Another time, I was searching for a job, and a women gave me a prophetic word saying "You are the type of person that likes to take apart a computer and put it back together". At the time I was working as a computer technician, wondering if I should go back to the same job.

So actually, I have had many experiences confirming that my experiences existed outside of me. The attempt to reduce my real sincere testimony to psychiatric illness is reminiscent of Soviet propaganda techniques.

(March 19, 2013 at 10:44 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I have had many experiences.

Religious individuals often make the mistake of confusing coincidences with holy signs.

(March 19, 2013 at 10:38 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Having mystical experiences does not make you crazy.

That's true. Allama Tabatabai was perfectly sane and had mystical experiences.

Now my experiences were do due to mental illness. It's a hallucination created by the mind.

Now Alama Tabatabai, he didn't have a mental illness but experienced mystical vision.

Well, because my mind spirals out of control, and his doesn't, all of sudden this makes his experience reliable and true?

Or is it more logical to assume his mind was healthy enough to take on hallucinations while mine was not?

The problem with stating it's a true vision, is that it really become indistinguishable from hallucination.

I reasoned through this. Before I applied the opposite logic to prove my experience was true despite losing my mind.

That despite losing control, what I saw was real, because mystics had similar experiences.

This is one of those things that are not easy. It seems so many people experience demonic entities, so many people hear God, so many people see God...but most of us end up in mental hospitals for that while a few mystics are lucky enough to have experienced what they experienced without losing control and their sanity.

So the question is - how do you know?

That is all the evidence that you need to rebut my claim, huh. Because you don't care if it is true. You restrict your learning to subjects which will free you from religious constraints. What could compel you to self denial you will resist and resist and never take seriously. It is enough to explain it away, the millions of testimonies that scream that God is real, with a sentence you silence their voices to open your ears to hear what you want.

(March 19, 2013 at 10:44 pm)jstrodel Wrote: But in the case of my experiences, I have had people around me give me prophetic words that confirmed specific details of the experiences that I had.

I don't believe you, convince me.

Quote: For instance, while God showed me many, many events in my life, showing me images of my whole life, a women in charismatic ministry told me that "God is showing you past events where you have failed him".

Ignoring that I don't believe your testimony in the least - or even that you believe in it......

Wonder of wonders, you saw events which you were definitively there to witness in the first place....is this supposed to be in some way mysterious, mystical, magical, or divine....?

Quote:Another time, I was searching for a job, and a women gave me a prophetic word saying "You are the type of person that likes to take apart a computer and put it back together". At the time I was working as a computer technician, wondering if I should go back to the same job.

I don't know about you, but I prefer my prophecy to contain, well...some prophecy......

Quote:So actually, I have had many experiences confirming that my experiences existed outside of me. The attempt to reduce my real sincere testimony to psychiatric illness is reminiscent of Soviet propaganda techniques.

I doubt that, now do work.

(March 19, 2013 at 10:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(March 19, 2013 at 10:38 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Having mystical experiences does not make you crazy.

That's true. Allama Tabatabai was perfectly sane and had mystical experiences.

Now my experiences were do due to mental illness. It's a hallucination created by the mind.

Now Alama Tabatabai, he didn't have a mental illness but experienced mystical vision.

Well, because my mind spirals out of control, and his doesn't, all of sudden this makes his experience reliable and true?

Or is it more logical to assume his mind was healthy enough to take on hallucinations while mine was not?

The problem with stating it's a true vision, is that it really become indistinguishable from hallucination.

I reasoned through this. Before I applied the opposite logic to prove my experience was true despite losing my mind.

That despite losing control, what I saw was real, because mystics had similar experiences.

This is one of those things that are not easy. It seems so many people experience demonic entities, so many people hear God, so many people see God...but most of us end up in mental hospitals for that while a few mystics are lucky enough to have experienced what they experienced without losing control and their sanity.

So the question is - how do you know?

If other people confirm the experiences, that is a good sign it is from God. Also if it produces good fruit in your life, if it leads you to holiness. If it agrees with Jesus Christ.

(March 19, 2013 at 10:52 pm)jstrodel Wrote: millions of testimonies that scream that God is real.

If the testimonies were valid, everyone would believe without question.