(November 12, 2009 at 4:14 pm)Saerules Wrote: I would be immediately stoned as an affront to everything Muslims believe.

Really? Why?

(November 13, 2009 at 2:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(November 12, 2009 at 4:14 pm)Saerules Wrote: I would be immediately stoned as an affront to everything Muslims believe.

Really? Why?

Where to begin, fr0d0?

Being a fiery and assertive/passive-aggressive (I can do both) young woman like myself = a stoning.

Bisexuality? = another stoning.

Transgenderism? = yet another stoning.

For wearing "men's clothes"? = OMD yet another stoning!

My non-conformity = you get the idea yet?

My foreign status = need i go on?

No, don't go on! hehe!

Non conformity.. hmm
Being foreign...

The rest I agree with you of course

(November 14, 2009 at 9:37 am)fr0d0 Wrote: No, don't go on!

I concur. Never have I agreed with Frodo more.

I had a bubble. It was called Saerules. It popped.

(November 14, 2009 at 1:25 am)Saerules Wrote:

(November 13, 2009 at 2:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(November 12, 2009 at 4:14 pm)Saerules Wrote: I would be immediately stoned as an affront to everything Muslims believe.

Really? Why?

Where to begin, fr0d0?

Being a fiery and assertive/passive-aggressive (I can do both) young woman like myself = a stoning.

Bisexuality? = another stoning.

Transgenderism? = yet another stoning.

For wearing "men's clothes"? = OMD yet another stoning!

My non-conformity = you get the idea yet?

My foreign status = need i go on?

Mens clothing huh.

For some reason I had you in lederhausen in my head.

Funny what pops in innit.

downbeatplumb Wrote:Funny what pops in innit.

As the actress said to the bishop.

Woops , i mistook those two with christianity ^_^ <--ditz (the wearing men's clothing thing and the foreigners).

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/ here's everything relevant to the quran ... and somehow you just know that the punishments for most of them will probably be death. It's a rather common theme... don't you think?

Dotard Wrote:I concur. Never have I agreed with Frodo more.

I had a bubble. It was called Saerules. It popped.

I popped a long... long time ago

I don't understand what you were referring to though

a quick view :
1- wine : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [ harm ] , atheism [ freedom] .
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/health/He...lcohol.htm

2- homosexuality : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [ very harmful and danger ] , atheism [ freedom] .
http://www.catholiceducation.org/article...o0075.html

3- adultery : : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [very harmful on health , society , lineage , …. ] , atheism [ freedom and in the case of wife and husband is deceiving and cheating ] . as you know adultery effects on person , family , societies


The science agrees with : [ Islam , Christianity , Judaism " the Ibrahimec religions" ] that all things which have been forbidden by religions are harmful on human's health . which means these forbidden thing has not chosen randomly , it was chosen by a wise knows from the beginning which things are good for us , and which things are harmful on us .
as you know : the periods between prophets are too long [ from prophet Noah to prophet Ibrahim then prophet Moses to prophet Jesus and lastly prophet Mohammad who was not from the Sons of Israel , and has no relation with Rabbis of Jewish or priests of Christianity or the Law of prophet Moses , he proclaimed to a new religion which is Islam , with a new revelation which is Quran . but prophet Mohammad forbidden the same things that was forbidden during the time of prophet Noah , or Moses .
why did prophets agreed on the forbidden things ?
who did inform all prophets about the forbidden things ?
very important note : I am not speaking according to Bible , because it has been mentioned in the bible that all prophets were sinners [ this is a great slander ] . the bible contains many lies about God and prophets .


I think logic with religions . and the followers of desires without looking to harmful consequences , only destroying themselves and their societies while running behind a mirage called : " freedom "

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Never does sexual perversion become widespread and publicly known in certain people without them being overtaken by plague and disease that never happened to their ancestors who came before them.”

Ray, you're a fool.

Go blow yourself up.

(November 22, 2009 at 11:02 pm)Last_ Ray Wrote: a quick view :
1- wine : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [ harm ] , atheism [ freedom] .
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/health/He...lcohol.htm

What? You equate the freedom to make a choice, no matter if harmful, with atheism? Interestingly enough, you indicate that "science" in a position like that of religion and atheism will somehow play an equal role. With all due respect sir, are you using dirty rags to stuff your head?

Ok Mr. "Science says its harmful", lets also talk about research into the antioxidants of red wine that lower rates of heart disease in regions like Italy and France. So much for a black/white view of it being "harmful".

(November 22, 2009 at 11:02 pm)Last_ Ray Wrote: 2- homosexuality : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [ very harmful and danger ] , atheism [ freedom] .
http://www.catholiceducation.org/article...o0075.html

You use the Catholic Church's position on homosexuality as a source? Fail. Homosexual societies have been documented in mountain goats and it appears to me that it will continue that way. I do not see the harm in letting two consenting adults share intimacy.

(November 22, 2009 at 11:02 pm)Last_ Ray Wrote: 3- adultery : : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [very harmful on health , society , lineage , …. ] , atheism [ freedom and in the case of wife and husband is deceiving and cheating ] . as you know adultery effects on person , family , societies

Once again you say that science says it is harmful and equate ultimate freedom with atheism. How many times will you keep cherry picking pieces of your preferred ideology and claim science supports you? There are many pieces of 'crazy' and softheaded thinking where Muslims claim that the Qu'ran is scientific.

(November 22, 2009 at 11:02 pm)Last_ Ray Wrote: The science agrees with : [ Islam , Christianity , Judaism " the Ibrahimec religions" ] that all things which have been forbidden by religions are harmful on human's health . which means these forbidden thing has not chosen randomly , it was chosen by a wise knows from the beginning which things are good for us , and which things are harmful on us .
as you know : the periods between prophets are too long [ from prophet Noah to prophet Ibrahim then prophet Moses to prophet Jesus and lastly prophet Mohammad who was not from the Sons of Israel , and has no relation with Rabbis of Jewish or priests of Christianity or the Law of prophet Moses , he proclaimed to a new religion which is Islam , with a new revelation which is Quran . but prophet Mohammad forbidden the same things that was forbidden during the time of prophet Noah , or Moses .

There are many unscientific things mentioned in Abrahamic religions. So?

(November 22, 2009 at 11:02 pm)Last_ Ray Wrote: why did prophets agreed on the forbidden things ?
who did inform all prophets about the forbidden things ?
very important note : I am not speaking according to Bible , because it has been mentioned in the bible that all prophets were sinners [ this is a great slander ] . the bible contains many lies about God and prophets .


I think logic with religions . and the followers of desires without looking to harmful consequences , only destroying themselves and their societies while running behind a mirage called : " freedom "

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Never does sexual perversion become widespread and publicly known in certain people without them being overtaken by plague and disease that never happened to their ancestors who came before them.”

The prophet is an idiot and tyro about the science of disease, psychology of gender and societal mechanics. The only thing he is remotely qualified to talk about is 15th century politics, which, ironically, seems to be what many fundamentalist Muslims want to take us back to.