Let's end the semantics: A fetus is not an individual human being. It is not a person. It is a human fetus. A stage in the development of a human being.

That being said, I don't particularly care what it's considered, like a lot of people have said. Abortion should be up to the mother no matter what, and that's my opinion. Abortion is one of those topics that no matter how much evidence or what kind of evidence is presented, it's something that could easily be argued for on both sides and we will never reach a conclusion.

The abortion debate, honestly, isn't as much about the actual process of abortion as much as it is about the privacy of such a thing. The right to privacy to such a thing is a right guarenteed to women by Roe v. Wade.

(May 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: Let's end the semantics: A fetus is not an individual human being. It is not a person. It is a human fetus. A stage in the development of a human being.

Something in any stage of developement of a human being is what exactly if not a human being???

Why can't some people see how silly that "argument" is?

(May 28, 2013 at 6:41 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Now, Tib... so many spelling mistakes, how unlike you...

What spelling mistakes???

(May 28, 2013 at 6:58 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Tiberius, there's no need to get sarcastic. I have an opinion, and it's valid. You also have a valid opinion. I'm going to chalk it up to agree to disagree and I hope you can do the same.

If the opinion you are talking about is that my question was a loaded one, then no, it's not valid at all. My question was not loaded in any sense of the word.

The sarcasm was more disbelief at the fact that you accused me of asking a loaded question, and then proceeded to answer it. I'm not sure you actually understand what a loaded question is.

I agree that we have different opinions, but this is a discussion of different opinions. If we all agreed to disagree there wouldn't be much discussion here. If you don't want to address my criticisms of your points, that's fine, but I won't ever agree with your statement that "No one should have any say over anyone else's choices for their own bodies unless the owner of said body requests it" because it just doesn't work in society.

(May 28, 2013 at 7:22 pm)Tiberius Wrote: What spelling mistakes???

That's exactly what I was thinking lol I went through your whole posts to check.

(May 28, 2013 at 7:25 pm)ideologue08 Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 7:22 pm)Tiberius Wrote: What spelling mistakes???

That's exactly what I was thinking lol I went through your whole posts to check.

So did I! I even copied it into Google Docs to make sure. The only thing I found was that I'd used the plural "women" rather than the singular "woman" at one point, which is arguably more of a grammar mistake.

Not sure how that justifies the comment "so many spelling mistakes"...

Edit: Ok, I misspelled "on" as "one". Still, a couple of spelling mistakes (one being a grammar mistake) does not make "many".

ok, you got me... grammar mistakes... jeez... I was never good at cataloging these things...

(May 28, 2013 at 7:28 pm)Tiberius Wrote: So did I! I even copied it into Google Docs to make sure. The only thing I found was that I'd used the plural "women" rather than the singular "woman" at one point, which is arguably more of a grammar mistake.

Not sure how that justifies the comment "so many spelling mistakes"...

Edit: Ok, I misspelled "on" as "one". Still, a couple of spelling mistakes (one being a grammar mistake) does not make "many".

I didn't think of copying it into word processor lol That's a very efficient way of doing it, I read it line by line haha

Yeah 2 mistakes ain't many at all, that's very a very harsh and excessive criticism.

(May 28, 2013 at 7:33 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:

Ah, damn.... They're back!

(May 21, 2013 at 5:52 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah - you'd think that an allegedly "all-knowing" god would not have been surprised when his plans turned out badly.

Yahweh is something of a fuck up by god standards.

God couldn't MAKE people into good people before the Flood because they had free will. He simply knew the choice they would make before it happened, and he can't stop them from being evil if they don't want to listen to him. So they ran out of time, and he punished them.