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What is "FAITH"
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 (July 11, 2013 at 6:49 pm)Consilius Wrote: I was presenting a point. A summary of three great and widely controversial premises: That is good and all, so long as you understand no creator had any part in the world's creation and that good exists independent of any creator.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
 
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
If you can accept that 'creation is good' etc then you are also accepting God. Just calling it something else.
We call it God/ That's what people named it/ That's the definition. (July 11, 2013 at 7:22 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If you can accept that 'creation is good' etc then you are also accepting God. If one is delusional, which I am not.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
So denying something you accept isn't delusional?
(July 11, 2013 at 7:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So denying something you accept isn't delusional? What is delusional is accepting that there is a creator behind creation, which I clearly do not accept. As I have already stated, before your word twisting, the world is good and independent of a creator.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
But what if good and creator are references to the same thing?
Yeah of course you might object to the baggage added to 'God' that you in no way agree to. But by stating that you can understand that creation can be good you are saying exactly the same as me about creation. I'm not trying to trick you here.  (July 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:A creation can come from nothing but a creator.(July 11, 2013 at 6:49 pm)Consilius Wrote: I was presenting a point. A summary of three great and widely controversial premises: On an unrelated note, if good was created, it could not exist independent of that creator. And so we begin. RE: What is "FAITH"
July 11, 2013 at 8:03 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2013 at 8:08 pm by Paraselene.)
(July 11, 2013 at 7:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: But what if good and creator are references to the same thing? They are not, especially if we are referring to the biblical creator. And that is not a road I wish to go down with you again, especially if you plan to insist in interpreting scripture with a rose colored mentality. (July 11, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Consilius Wrote: A creation can come from nothing but a creator. That is merely a baseless assertion absent of any proof.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: What is "FAITH"
July 11, 2013 at 8:08 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2013 at 8:11 pm by fr0d0.)
(July 11, 2013 at 8:03 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(July 11, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Consilius Wrote: A creation can come from nothing but a creator. It's self evident if you use the term creation. (July 11, 2013 at 8:03 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(July 11, 2013 at 7:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: But what if good and creator are references to the same thing? You're addressing only your own prejudice. RE: What is "FAITH"
July 11, 2013 at 8:13 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2013 at 8:15 pm by Paraselene.)
(July 11, 2013 at 8:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: It's self evident if you use the term creation. False. Creation refers to something being created, not that a creator is necessarily behind its creation. (July 11, 2013 at 8:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're addressing only your own prejudice. I read objectively, without theistic bias.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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