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Absolute undeniable evidence for existence of God?
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 RE: Absolute undeniable evidence for existence of God?
July 25, 2013 at 5:32 am
(This post was last modified: July 25, 2013 at 5:33 am by Cyberman.)
(July 24, 2013 at 10:08 pm)Kim Wrote: Ok, what sufficient evidence would be required to prove the existence of, say, God as defined by Christianity? Well, what are the claims made for this character? Creation ex nihilo? Full-grown adults made from a bone? Impossible flood events? We could start with those. The nature of evidence isn't that it's presented and "Boom! Headshot!". It's put onto the table and then assessed along with all the other presented evidence. If it can't stand up to scrutiny, it wasn't worth presenting in the first place. Incidentally, asking atheists what evidence they need for the existence of gods - let alone God - is a shifting of the burden of proof. It's not up to me, for instance, to prove the theists' case for them.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 Quote:I already told you - his capacity for whimsically changing all the natural laws. Can't we have someone like Q do that? It doesn't necessary mean he's the God of Christianity, or creator of the universe. Quote:Incidentally, asking atheists what evidence they need for the existence of gods - let alone God - is a shifting of the burden of proof. It's not up to me, for instance, to prove the theists' case for them. This is not the case here. If you followed this thread, it seems whatever evidence provided wouldn't prove the existence of any sort of supernatural being. Thus, in principle, no amount of evidence is sufficient enough, there is always some loophole that can be exploited to point out that this evidence does not necessarily prove a singular supernatural being that created the universe. It could be an advanced civilization, or even maybe someone like Q (who is not a God), or it could be an illusion altogether. 
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould RE: Absolute undeniable evidence for existence of God?
July 25, 2013 at 7:11 am
(This post was last modified: July 25, 2013 at 7:11 am by genkaus.)
That's Q, the guy who gives James Bond all of those awesome gadgets in the movies. He's probably as close to god as most people will ever see.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould (July 25, 2013 at 9:17 am)Kim Wrote: No, Q is a well known character in Startrek Does he actually break the laws of nature or simply works according to some unknown ones? The article doesn't specify. RE: Absolute undeniable evidence for existence of God?
July 25, 2013 at 9:37 am
(This post was last modified: July 25, 2013 at 9:45 am by The Grand Nudger.)
It's suggested that he understands things that we do not, but precisely what that is is left unsaid. Pretty much anything to do with a god is on the "Q continuum"..lol. He's omnipotent (or a liar, or both)...lol - being my favorite bit of what may be unintentional parody. A sort of distilled Q'ish exchange. They or he even comes from a place that we "lesser beings" could not comprehend, and so it is shown to us in a way that we might (very limited). Hell, the fucker even spawns a son - and does battle against a malevolent entity that pretends to be/desires to be a god.
I think the gist of the Q bit (if I may be so bold Kim) is that what we might accept as evidence for christopagan god would fit a character imagined within a sci-fi universe just as well.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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